It is odd to me every time I hear people say that people don't support President Obama because he is black.
Then you have Samuel Jackson saying recently that he voted for President Obama because he was black. Here is the link:
LinkA recent poll showed that 95% of blacks will support President Obama in the next election. Here is the link:
LinkThe unemployment rate for black Americans is 16%. I guess they can still support him for the food stamps. 12% of the population is black yet they get 28% of the food stamps. Here is the link:
LinkBlack people in America, receive $3,230 per person in benefits. Here is the link:
LinkPeople say that blacks support President Obama because of his policies not because he is black. But their unemployment rate is 16%.
Do you think black people support President Obama because he is black?
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If he's running against Rick Santorum, yes. If he's running against Mitt Romney, no (change to "yes" if Santorum is Romney's running mate).
@DrummingMediocrity - even then I don't think we can draw any large conclusions. I would have voted for Hillary, and if someone asked I would absolutely confirm that her being a woman earned her some points from me, but that doesn't mean I would have voted McCain if she were a man, or that it would be remotely close to the main reason I voted for her, or that it had any large weight on my decision, or that i'd love to see any woman, no matter how awful, be president (totally would vote for a man against some of the female Republicans out there). If black people are happy we have a black president, or were happy to get to vote for one, that can be completely unrelated to their voting motivations. basically, unless someone says "I would have voted Republican, but he's black," we cannot claim we know why they really voted
@jenessa1889 - You do know that the number voting republican was cut in half? And this with a president that has seen the economic welfare of blacks fall worse that any other president. They have no reason to be happy with him, yet they are voting for him in higher numbers than ever before. This is all about race and nothing more. As for the 80+ that vote democrat mindlessly every time. I make no effort to explain that other than to say President Johnson was right when he said “I'll have those niggers voting Democratic for the next 200 years.” - Lyndon B. Johnson
@BlindSight22 - nuh uh me too
Why do you think people support you ? perhaps because they are tepid. I have a suggestion for your next post. Make a sincere apology for your lack of respect regarding your post of Sunday february the 12th. I can't comprehend how people who read that post remain indifferent and still find you cute and amusing. Am I too serious or what ?
here is a hint
http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/cpac-set-host-white-nationalist-leader
this well known white supremacist group whose leader is white nationalist Peter Brimelow was hosted by the republican party to give the first panel session following opening speeches by Mitch McConnell and Michelle Bachmann at CPAC, the big annual republican convention that began a few days ago. the panel topic was "The Failure of Multiculturalism: How the pursuit of diversity is weakening the American Identity". to be fair this group doesn't single out blacks. it is also bigoted against Jews and anyone non-white like Hispanics and Asians. there are many more sources that verify the CPAC story.
also curious about the republican party is while claiming the food stamp program is a fiscal problem, claims led by Gingrich and Santorum this year single out black people as the center of the problem when in fact it is white people who take advantage of the largest percentage of the food stamp program. logic and doing the math would tell us if it was truly taxpayer dollars republicans were concerned about they'd be singling out white people.
Democratic candidates often get around 90% of the black vote, for a variety of reasons that others have already touched upon. Obama got 95%. A 5% uptick is not very drastic; the overwhelming majority of black voters were and are voting on the basis of their political convictions (and I'll leave aside the ludicrously simplistic and misleading attempt to pin unemployment rates among the black Americans, or in general, on Obama's policies). There is nothing even slightly interesting about this.
And we all know what would be said if 95% of whites voted against Obama. These same people saying it not about race would be screaming racism
http://toxictopix.webs.com/topixabusearticles.htm#810276248
Could you supply a more dependable source for your links, please?
That was little more than a chat forum...not precisely an "unbiased" source.
When I read something, I like to chase down the roots...
http://toxictopix.webs.com/harmedbytopix.htm
http://toxictopix.webs.com/thetruthabouttopix.htm
Yeah, probably. George Washington and Thomas Jefferson are my favorite presidents only because they had red hair.
@trunthepaige - yes, like both you and I said, twice as many voted for bush, which means half as many voted for McCain. I was pointing out that, in order to change the voting by twice as many (11 down to 5), it only took a change of 6%, so 89% didn't change. how can you claim that 89% of people didn't change how they voted but that at the same time you know they changed their motivation? 11 - 5 is a tiny change, potentially within the margins of error
and/or the typical amount of variability between any two elections.
A study a few years ago found that ear cancer was twice as common in rats exposed to cell phone radiation as in those that were not, which sounds pretty damning and was the title the media went with. Turns out, in the exposed group, 2 in 10,000 developed ear cancer, and in the unexposed group 1 in 10,000 developed ear cancer, which shows that it was far from damning evidence.
When I was 2, I was twice as old as my little brother. Now we're older and that's no longer the cases. It's still 2 years but not twice as many years.
Two is twice as many as 1, but it's also only 1 more than 1.
Relationships between numbers are rarely meaningful, raw percents often are.
you say "they are voting for him," and I'm presuming "they" means black people as a whole (if you only mean "the black people who vote based on race" then it's a circular argument assuming the conclusion as a premise), but you go on to say 80+% have always voted democrat. If 80+% of "they" haven't changed, then how on earth can we conclude that "they" as a group suddenly voted based on race without changing their behavior for the most part?
it wouldn't matter if the change amounted to 20 times fewer people voting republican, it would not change the fact that the overwhelming majority didn't vote any differently than normal. this is the reason why science compares the experimental group to a control: we want to make sure that only the variable we are interested in caused the change we observe. If this were a controlled experiment (which it isn't), only 6% of the votes could be attributed to race. so if you want to say SOME black people voted based on race then I'm sure that's true, and I'm equally sure that SOME white people voted based on race, but to claim from this 6% change that black people as a whole vote based on race is completely misunderstanding the numbers
Black people have consistently voted democrat in up and down economies with all white candidates. It's not about what candidates actually do, it's about what people (any people, black or otherwise) think the candidate will do and has done. Plenty of people think that unemployment could have been worse if not for Obama's policies, and others think he made it worse, and how people will vote is reflective of what they think about that, not about the actual fact of the matter, which no one can know for sure because we don't have a time machine and do overs to check. Or maybe black people think Obama did make it worse, but that a Republican would make it EVEN worse, or that unemployment sucks and is Obama's fault but that something the Republicans plan to do would suck worse than unemployment. There are plenty of possible thoughts going through a person's head beyond the man's race which would make them continue to vote Democrat.
@trunthepaige - absolutely, because white people typically split about 60/40 for republicans and democrats, respectively. If the second a black candidate was introduced that ratio switched to 95/5 that would mean 35% of white people were probably being racist. But the key point is that the other 65% would not be racist at all.
@jenessa1889 - But what would you say about a 20 point change? Because that would be the equivalent change
@trunthepaige - oh man, I just looked at the clock and realized what time it is, and I have a super busy rest-of-the-week (open house for my grad department starts tomorrow) so I won't be able to keep the conversation going. Those last two will have to be my last responses. good to talking to you regardless
@jenessa1889 - And with out any doubt this recession has been harder on blanks than anyone else. Yet they are rewarding the present administration for that hardship. I would say it is very unusual that so many people are not blaming those in charge. And why did black hold a bad economic against Carter, but not Obama?
@trunthepaige - on the one hand it would be the equivalent percent of increase but still not the equivalent raw percent change (omg my brain is going to explode from trying to do that math), so it's not exactly comparable, but in that case I'd be more likely to attribute a good portion of that to random variability. figured i'd throw this out there since it's a quick response
@jenessa1889 - And the fact that carter was first elected with 92% of the black voter in 1976, butgot only 82% in 1980 due to a very poor economy, but not as bad as this one. Why did black voters hold Carter responsible for an economy that was not as hard on them as this one is, yet are giving Obama a pass?
@jenessa1889 - No problem it is not that late here in the west
Maybe blacks just don't like the republican fools that are left in the race. Personally I think you'd have to be a moron to support any of them.
@locomotiv - Wow... That's quite a point you made. Not sure I agree but you have seriously earned my respect :)
@trunthepaige - Wow you raise some very good points concerning the double standard. I put my thinking cap on.
@DrummingMediocrity - I like the word respect. Thank you. You neither agree nor approve, that's fine. Perhaps you are a fast reader. I will not make a mountain of it. I like to vent occasionnally and i felt to vent this time.
@locomotiv - i want you to always vent. You are my favie venter.
@DrummingMediocrity - My last remark for this evening. I just dont like it when people make fun of the dead. Pleasant dreams to all....
I think that people who vote for him simply because he's black, is just as racist as those who don't vote for him because black.