February 21, 2006

  • Homosexuality and Bigotry

    A few people indicated in their comments on the last post that they thought that a person cannot be a priest and be homosexual.  Others looked at those comments and indicated that they were bigots or closed minded.


    Is a person who believes that homosexual activity is immoral a bigot?


     

Comments (259)

  • bam!

  • i wouldn’t want label someone a bigot… it’s possible i am over some issues….

  • No.

  • no, not necessarily.  possibly misinformed. ;  )

  • I wouldn’t call them a bigot unless they’re disrespectful about it.

    If they can be a decent person, it’s just an opinion.

  • no

    then that would make gay people who

    hate straight ppl

    bigot.

    or w/e

    kpeacebye

    yea..you should do the following topics

    1. gays addopting:should it be legal/illegal and why
    2. should you be able to use you phone on the bus(my sisters bus driver doesnt allow it.
    3. something about the holocuast.

  • Oh yeah…total bigot….

    Candy XO

  • I think there are different levels of harshness about the matter. Someone can be oppinionated and firm in their beliefs without being disrespectful or hateful.

    So, I say no, not necessarily.

  • no – homosexuality is a biblical mandate…as wrong.

  • The definition of “bigot” is, roughly, someone who is severly partial to their way of life and is intolerant of other ways.

    Believing that something is immoral is, in some way, being intolerant of it. On the other hand, because I believe murder is immoral, am I a bigot against murderers? I am severly partial to living, and would be intolerant of someone killing me. So, am I a bigot? I don’t think so. Yet someone who is partial to having black people as slaves and is intolerant of seeing them as equal humans is a bigot.

    So what’s the difference?

    Just something to think about.

  • How do you define bigot, I guess? If you want to define it as anyone who is discriminant for anything than yes. It gets messy from there on down.

  • Of course not. Homosexuality is not natural and it is immoral, that’s a fact not an opinion. Whether or not someone chooses to believe it is their business, it doesn’t make it any more right. Society has come to a point where anyone saying someone else is wrong is suddenly close-minded and intolerant. This is our failing as a culture! There IS a constant, morality IS NOT RELATIVE! I can’t stress this enough.

    -Jared

  • no. i think all people are immoral, but in varying ways, and since we all judge by the exterior, we have a ranking system of immoralness. so i don’t think they’re any worse in God’s view (which I can’t know for sure anyway), but i do think they are less fit for positions in the church. i don’t that makes me a bigot.

  • Stoning homosexuals to death is merely what Levitical Law demands from us.

    We must also stone all people who eat shrimp or rare steaks, work on the sabbath, divorce, and wear the wrong combination of fabrics.

    It’s Levitical Law, so it must be what God wants.

  • Hate the sin; not the sinner…that is what Jesus taught…he loved the sinners, hung out with the sinners…died for the sinners…so hating homosexuality, crime, drugs, cheating, stealing, killing is not the same as hating those who do it. A true Believer in Christ would hate all those things…many non-Believers hate most of those things…but just because I hate the actions of a person does not mean I hate the person/people that do them…so no I am not a bigot cause I believe that immorallity is wrong…

  • no.

    a pereson who treats a homosexual as less than human is a bigot.

    tolerance is everything. love thy neighbor does not mean approve of everything they do, but it does indicate a respect for their decisions as being their decisions.

  • no. you can hate the sin without hating the sinner.

  • “Bigot: One who is strongly partial to one’s own group, religion, race, or politics and is intolerant of those who differ.”

    Beliving something is immoral is not the same as being intolerant, if you are thinking of intollerance in a genocidal way. However, having beliefs and setting standards for a community and excluding those who don’t agree (such as the priesthood and the catholic church) can be viewed as intollerance, a legal you’re a member or not a member because you agree to such and such sort of way.

  • Yes, bigot- a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices (Thanks M. Webster)

    In a world that is increasingly turning towards immorality, the Church needs to stand for the ABSOLUTE TRUTH as presented in the Bible.

    Just because a person is a bigot doesn’t mean that have to be a jerk.

  • Yes.

  • No, of course not. bigot – “a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices”. This isn’t a matter of prejudice or opinion. It’s a matter of God’s Word speaking on a subject. Just because you don’t like God or His Word doesn’t mean the person who follows it is a bigot.

  • No, I do not think we are bigots. I did not say that people shouldn’t be homosexual, I just said that those people shouldn’t be ordained priests/ministers because it goes against the religion in which they would be representing. That’s not to say that everyone in the world can’t or shouldn’t be homosexual, I just don’t personally feel they should serve an organization that outwardly says that portion of their character is wrong. I don’t see why they themselves would want too either, knowing that the church they would be putting so much energy into teaches that homosexuality is wrong. I would imagine they would just rather avoid that situation.

  • no. im with him ^

  • Homosexuality is something you do, not something you are. Homosexual attraction might be an uncontrollable thing, but homosexual actions are merely that, actions. They are not part of a person’s identity. Therefore it is difficult to label someone as a bigot for opposing them.

  • No!!!!!!!!!!

  • Ah no……It’s the truth Immoral behavior sould NOT be tolareted by our society.  You can not belive in the bible even a little and get out of it that homosexuality is right.  God destroyed two large cities in the bible because of immoral behavior such as homosexuallity.  I thought we were a christian nation?  When did everyone become blinded? 

    ~G~

  • No, they’re not bigots. At least, we cannot say they are simply because they say that practicing homosexuals should not be allowed to become priests. Catholic doctrine and Scripture state that homosexuality is a sin. Whether or not you agree with that is up to you, but you can’t just walk up to the Catholic church and demand that they change their view on homosexuality so that you, a practicing homosexual, can be a priest. Saying that you can is a form of bigotry itself.

    It may well be that some people who do not believe practicing homosexuals should be ordained are bigots, but such a hasty generalization is yet another form of bigotry.

  • Perhaps what I meant to say ways that we need to get used to being called bigot and narrow minded, by others, especially those that are bigoted and narrow minded thensleves.

  • NO!!the Bible says homosexuality is wrong

  • I get the feeling that there are some people who are just afraid to go come out and say it……stop tip toeing.

    HOMOSEXUALITY IS WRONG!

    ~G~

  • No. Anyone who tries to tell them they are is not being intellectually honest.

  • no, would you be a bigot if you thought Alchoholism was immoral

  • Haha…I think Alchoholism is immoral to……..

    ~G~

  • Yes, without question. Totally bigoted, wrong, as bad as Nazis, racists, and people who believe disabled people are paying for sins.

    They disgust me. Hiding behind God just because you can’t accept people for who they are is cowardice, and just shows how little people know about Jesus’ teachings of love, acceptance and forgiveness. He consorted with prostitutes and tax men, the pariahs of their day, and he’d probably be the same about homosexuals today. People need to update God’s message and stop using him as an excuse to bully, murder, rape, pillage, condemn and discriminate against other people. Love your neighbour as yourself. Hello?

    Anyway, homophobia is just insecurity about being heterosexual.

  • Yes.

  • no, that’s silly

  • homosexuality is not a sin. but that does not necessarily make someone who believes that a “bigot” for labelling anyone for any reason is equally hurtful to oneself. I don’t think so, I just think they are wrong.

    It is when someone is unwilling to open his or her mind to change that they can be said to act in a bigoted manner.

  • no

  • Nah … that would mean that I’m a bigot … and I’m so not! I just go by what God says – that’s all that matters!

  • Stop prattling on about the Bible saying homosexuality is wrong.
     
    The Bible says a lot of things are ‘wrong’. Like eating pork, going to war, having a wet dream, masturbation….

    I don’t know how many of you going on about this have eaten bacon or jacked off or had a wet dream, but you should stop doing those before you start going on about homosexuals.

  • fallenangeleyes, you are taking a few passages from here and there without understanding the context of them and how they are effected by later text.

  • have we still lived so long that we must still label people to begin with..does that somehow compact them to where they can fit in a drawer neatly to be pulled out and mulled over because the understanding of this person is now contained in some title?

    jm

  • A man opens his Bible randomly and reads “Judas went away and hung himself.” He then opens to a different random passage and reads “Go ye therefore and do likewise.” … you can’t take random Bible passages without understanding the context.

  • And I’m definitely bigoted against anyone who goes around citing the Bible.
    Like, OH EM GEE! MY BOOK SAYS YOUR WRONG! It was written by a whole bunch of different people over decades, it’s been revised and translated over and over so it’s lost clarity and meaning, and it contradicts itself all over the place. But it says your wrong, go die.
    Thou shalt not kill? Except for Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, other Christian denominations, Gays, Lesbians, Transvestites and anyone who says something you don’t like right?
    Maybe you should all go read “Life for Dummies” or something.

  • People need to get their own lives and stop letting a book think for them. I’m sure God, if he really does exist, doesn’t like to look down on Earth and see people not THINKING FOR THEMSELVES AND FORMING THEIR OWN OPINIONS.

  • closed minded, stereotypical… idk.

  • I just normally like to do what the bible says on the matter….

    keeping an open mind is key, but trying to make verses not exist is a strech for me…

    biblicly I think homosexuality is a sin.

    but so is telling someone they look nice when they really look terrible.

    and a sin is a sin…

    hard topic

  • Hate the sin, not the sinner… I say no… now, if they were saying that a person who is hateful towards a homosexual, then it would be so,… however, there are bigots of EVERY color, sexual orientation, and creed….

  • bigot

    n : a prejudiced person who is intolerant of any opinions differing from his own

    Therefore, the only bigotry going on would be against those who believe that homosexuality is not immoral, not homosexuality itself.

    That said, only a person who is neither for or against homosexuality would not be considered a bigot. And that’s near impossible.

    But yes, I do think that there are absolutely NO good arguments against homosexuality thus, the people who are against it are ignorant, narrow-minded individuals.

    Oh no! I’m a bigot!

    Look, it’s a losing battle here. We’re all bigots either way you look at it. The only thing redeeming us (the people who don’t hide behind a Bible to justify their beliefs) is that we’re fighting for a just cause.

  • it depends if theyre actually beign intolerant of this person, they are treating them worse because of their sexual prefernces. if they are not being intolerant, than no its just a belief.

  • no more than someone who believes that, say, pedophilia is wrong is bigoted towards pedophiles.  some people who are against homosexuality is wrong are bigots (witness the people who hold of signs about “God hates fags”), but just believing something is wrong doesn’t make a bigot…

  • What I have found (and maybe others, I didn’t read the comments) in my dealings with people regarding the issue of homosexuality is it really depends on the person. By that I mean if you know someone who is homosexual, you tend to be tolerant or more understanding. I know several people who are homosexual, some are fine individuals, assets to the community while others are useless and mad at the world. Are they this way because of their sexual preference? I also know several pastors who are homosexual, and are no less effective at their job than their heterosexual counterparts.

    Like them, don’t like them – that is really your business. Either way, we need to live in this world together, so let’s try to get along and agree to disagree if need be.

  • amen, Jam4thelamb!

  • It amazes me how every talks about how open minded they are, then bashes the Bible, a book which they don’t even understand.

  • Not necessarily…. it really depends on what they do based on this belief.

  • Immorality is decided by The Bible, not a person.

  • what is a bigot? then I will answer the question…lol.
    xox
    Jaylisa

     

    p.s. I love your site it makes me feel intelligant…lol.did I spell that right…if I did’nt that makes me not feel intelligant any longer…lol.

  • Btw… I meant that as in the “modern” interpretation of a bigot…. If being a bigot means that its holding true to your own thoughts, and saying that others are wrong, then YES… Because I AM ONE… as well as everyone else… think about it…

  • Regarding Levitical law, it says they shall be cut off, not stoned.

  • Then again, they always say the one that is truly open minded is one who accepts everything, including stupid religious beliefs.

  • definately not

  • I believe homophobics are bigots, but not people who say that homosexuality is immoral.  There is a big difference.

    My parents are of that stance, that being gay is a sin (pretty much a given, since they are missionaries).  I disagree with them, and don’t think homosexuality is a sin of any kind, but does that mean I think they are bigots?  Of course not.  I respect their opinion, and I love them.

    But does that mean I will agree with them, and not be willing to try and change their minds?  Of course not.  I just don’t think they are bigots.  It’s an opinion, after all.

    However…I would most definitely call a homophobic a bigot.  I cannot stand homophobes.  They’re right up there with racists in my opinion.

    I can tolerate Christians and people of other religions who think that homosexuality is a sin.  Misguided, to me?  Yes.  But bigots?  Absolutely not.  That would be hateful and close-minded of ME to call someone’s opinion bigoted.

  • No, becuase it is immoral.however those who don’t even like being around homosexuals or things like that are bigots.

  • No. I think it’s pretty closed-minded to label everyone opposed to a certain “open-minded view” as closed-minded.

  • Oh, and JAM4the1Lamb, some of us DO understand the Bible.  I’m an MK.  I graduated from a missionary kid boarding school and even went to a Christian college for 2 years.  I’m not trying to brag, but not everyone who isn’t a Christian is ignorant of the Christian faith.  I know more about it and the Bible than a lot of supposed “Christians” in this country, and that has been proven in conversations I’ve had with them time and time again.  Is that sad?  Absolutely.

  • No. You can love the sinner and hate the sin. I am reminded of some of the stuff I read About the movie, End of the Spear, starring Chad Allen. Allen said he never felt MORE accepted than he did by the people he worked with on that movie. But I feel certain that if you asked Steve Saint, one of the executive producers of the movie, if homosexual acts are sinful, he would say that they are.

    You can love and accept the sinner, while believing that what they are doing is wrong. The thing is, I don’t think that is the message we need to be delivering, or at least, not that emphasis, to the homosexual. Yes, we can call it a sin. But we can tell them about sins that we, personally, battle. And then we can let them know the hope God offers to the sinner. THAT’S the message the homosexual needs. He doesn’t need to hear he is going to hell for being homosexual. He needs to know that we were all headed for hell, because we are all in the same boat.

    But Christ died for our sins and suffered in hell on our behalf. If we put faith in him, we don’t need the punishment our sins deserve. We can be forgiven.

    After that, you can deal with how to break the hold that particular sin has in your life. In the mean time, we need to just give them the message of salvation, much as we would a straight person who doesn’t know the Lord Jesus.

  • Oh and PS before anyone jumps on me and asks why I went to a Christian college if I’m agnostic–I’m a missionary kid.  The college gave me scholarships. 

  • 1. Love the person

    2. Hate the sin

  • No. Believing it is immoral is not a problem.  Acting against it or not tolerating it is though.  I can find drugs to be wrong, but I do have friends that take them.  If I refused to associate with them because of it I would feel like a bigot.

    As said earlier “Hate the sin, not the sinner”

  • i dont think that someone can be considered a bigot if they think something is wrong. its their opinion and no one can be told that their opinion is wrong. people should be free to believe what they want.

  • Yes.

  • Yes, absolutely bittersunday. It is sad. And I didn’t say everyone was saying that, though I had some typos that made it appear that. I actually agree with your comment! We have to respect each other even while having differing views. I was simply stating that people are pulling things out of different passages and not even understanding what they are saying. Like quoting Levitical law as something that all Christians today are supposed to be living by but aren’t. They don’t understand what they are reading and so call us closed-minded. Honestly though, I don’t expect someone who doesn’t have a relationship with Jesus to truly understand His Word. And He says those who don’t, won’t understand.

  • Yes, definitely.

  • loving the sinner and hating the sin is a load of bullshit. sorry, but it doesnt work like that.  i speak from experience.

    does that make you a bigot? in a word, yes. =)

  • No. They just believe what they were raised with or taught.

  • yes and no.  i believe that homosexuality is a sin, because I’m Christian, but I don’t judge homosexuals because of that.

  • They can’t be considered a bigot because it’s their opinion. So we just sit around creating words that have no applicable meaning and then revising all of our dictionaries to include them?
    Being a bigot is being prejudiced and intolerant of differing opinions. Most of the people who have said something here ARE bigots about this particular subject. One way or the other. In general I’m extremely intolerant of people who are homophobic, or even slightly anti-gay. I have a difficult time being friends with people like that, simply because I do not understand their point of view, do not agree on any level, and I feel strongly about it. Does that make me a bigot? Yes. Are there exceptions? Duh.

  • No.

  • I think I understand pretty well.  I asked Jesus to be my Saviour, “talked the talk/walked the walk” whole ordeal, and I was “on fire for god” at 14 and baptized when I was 15.  I had a “personal relationship” with Jesus at one point in my life

  • Well, yes because homosexuality is a natural byproduct of genetics, just like say skin color and gender, and we call people who hold prejudices against that as bigots.  Then again, no because it is a matter of opinion; when you act on that opinion and moralize and legislate against, you are going too far than merely asserting an opinion.

    And, yes, homosexuality is natural and genetic; it was the topic of my proposal (I’ll dig up the research I did if need be).

  • eh, kinda.

  • No.

    And to help out JAM1the1lamb, a non-Biblical example of his point is found in our own country’s constitution. Amendment XXI sec. 2 states that the transportation or importation into any State, Territory, or possession of the United States for delivery or use therein of intoxicating liquors, in violation of the laws thereof, is hereby prohibited.

    If that were the only part of the constitution I had ever read, it would be ignorant of me to yell it over and over as if it were the law of the land. Just as in the Bible, if you read further you will be educated as to the truth of the matter.

    What I am trying to say is, there are other parts of the constitution, just as there are other parts of the Bible other than Leviticus. I suggest you either read them fully to understand your own arguments, or shut up because you don’t know what you are talking about (which is a bad way to try and make an argument).

    So please, everyone, go read both the Bible and this country’s Constitution. (Unless you don’t live in the US, then you don’t have to read our Constitution, it is rather boring anyway)

  • yes

  • no

  • no, God created a man and a woman to be together not a man and a man or a woman and a woman, if he had wanted it some other way he would have made it quite clear

  • i dont think so, because otherwise i am a bigot. now we are taught to hate the sin not the sinner, so we shouldnt treat homosexuals like scum. but homosexuality is indeed immoral. all u have to do is look at the way a man and a woman’s bodies perfectly fit togather like a puzzle and the way that two men’s or two women’s don’t, to see that it is not natural and not meant to be.

  • Of course not.

  • Some are some are not just as some on the other side of the issue are bigots and some are not. A firmly held belief does not alone make you a bigot.

  • no

  • no, not necessarily.

    I mean, i don’t agree with homosexuals being a pastor or priest.  Because that’s what the bible says.

    Technically after thinking about it, I guess I am a bigot, because I am holding strong to my religion.

    but doesn’t mean i hate them either.  Yes they are living in sin according to the Bible and therefore should not and can not be leaders.

    But that goes with any sin….I don’t think a theif should be a pastor/priest either, nor an murderer or child molestor.

    so the real question is….is Homosexuality a sin?

  • I’m glad that other people believe in loving th sinner and hating the sin. Although I don’t view homosexuality as a sin…

  • Or another question could be:

    Who would be a better pastor/priest?

    a. A repented murderer, theif, child molestor

    or

    b. a homosexual living the life as a homosexual?

  • I wouldn’t view them as a bigot…if I had to sum it up in one word, it would be ignorant.

  • Bigotry has to do with opinion, however something like morality is not opinion and it’s not relative. Homosexuality is a SIN, it is specifically listed as an abomination in the Bible, which is the holy Word of God. Unless God Himself is a bigot, then no one thinking homosexuality is wrong is.

  • Not a bigot per se, but closeminded and, in my personal opinion, ignorant.

    Eva.

  • i’m sorry – cannot be a priest or should not be a priest? cause if we are talking about catholics here, which i’m not sure which other religion has priests, a good sized portion of the priests are gay. so i wouldn’t say they cannot be priests because they are and have been for much longer than you or i or anyone reading this have been around this life.

    the word bigot is defined as: a person intolerantly devoted to his/her opinions and prejudices. one of the definitions of intolerant is: unwilling to grant or share social, political, or professional rights. therefore, from a linguistical standpoint, one who thinks that a person should not be a priest because they are a homosexual is a bigot. by definition.

    do you actually read all of the comments posted on your site?

  • I don’t know.

    However, what really gets me is the people who say “I have nothing againsyt homosexuals, but that lifestyle is wrong and immoral and they will burn in hell.”

    Um, what?  Those 2 points of view cannot co-exist.  Sorry.  Not really possible.  Make up your mind.

    Also, people love to forget that it is God and Jesus who are to judge others and decide what is right or wrong.  NOT us.  NOT people.  So get off your high horse, love thy neighbor and let God do HIS (or HER) job. 

  • no

  • Not necessarily.. Everyone is intitled to their beliefs and their opinions. I for one don’t think that a homosexual person should be a “priest” simply because it goes against what that church believes and I don’t think that the church should have to change to suit the person. I don’t however have a problem with a homosexual being a leader in a church that doesn’t believe that homosexuality is a sin. I’d probably prefer to go to a church like that myself.

    I simply don’t think that if a religion is founded on the belief that God is our father, Jesus died for our sins and people shouldn’t stand on their heads because God is offended by it.. If someone is a habitual head stander then they should not lead that religion. I don’t think it makes the religion right, it may be ridiculous and if I saw it as ridiculous I would find some other place to worship.

    I also don’t think that blind people should perform brain surgery or that an ax murderer should head the justice department. Does that make me a bigot? I do think that gays should be allowed to marry and adopt children, and join a church or found (if necessary)their own religion based on their own beliefs and experiences with whatever God they choose to worship. I have very high regard for all religions and I would never expect anyone to compromise their own religious or moral beliefs to suit me… and I would never force mine on anyone either. We need more tolerance in this world.

  • Another loop to throw in the mix of this discussion… it is proven that many animals (dolphins for one, can’t remember others but there are a few) who engage in same-sex sexual activity.  What does that say about how God created animals or people, and homosexuality, and how much of a choice it is or its morality? 

    Just curious.

  • Hey, any of you who claim that homosexuality is a sin… how many of you have performed or recieved oral or anal sex? How many have ever mastrubated?

    Hmm. I spy a large percentage.

    Peace, liberty, and justice for all! We are a free country, tolerant of other cultures! (except those fags over there…)

    Yeah. That makes sense.

    There is so much hippocracy I fear I may drown.

  • Plus the whole deal about how the Bible also says blacks and women are inferior… that’s what the Bible, the “WORD OF GOD” (written by man, translated thousands of times over, subject to human error each time) says.  Do we still follow those?

    Sorry.  I know I should stop.  I probably shouldn’t even read the responses to questions like these, they get me all riled up.

  • I’m sick of hearing the word “opinion” in these comments. Very few people have been using the word correctly.

  • no

  • I do not believe in homosexuality. I think that mankind was not created to be attracted to the same sex. If that was the case, God wouldn’t have created wife and husband. Call me a bigot, but unless I have proof that homosexuality is natural, I’m not believing it.

  • hummm i see it this way considering real (as in not fake [not ment as an insult])gay people didnt choose to be like that it was just who they were it’s like trying to change someone who is racisist because chances are it’s who they are and it’s who they are gonna be and ou should’nt try to change someone just because you dont like it or think it’s “wrong/immoral” if the choice of who they are does not cause a problem (ie.murders,molesters,etc. excluded)then it should’nt be seen as a problem and therefore someone who is intolerant of the gays is no better the a racsist or a sexist and is as such a bigot
    -just an idea and something to ponder in the old noodle

  • Well, if a bigot is a strong believer in the Bible and it’s teachings, then yeah.

  • “no, not necessarily.  possibly misinformed. ;  )”–I like that comment!!!
     

  • homosexuals cannot be ministers or anything because it is a contradiction of their own religion. and that is that. personally i love queers but i do not love hypocrites and that would move them into that category. PEACE AND LOVE

  • lol you’re a biased feegit.

  • I guess I’m a bigot then…no where in the Bible does it say that God supported or liked homosexuals. Why should they be in our churches? Yes, I am a hypocrite because I am a bisexual, but still, I would not want to go against the word of God to even think of becoming a priest, as a bisexual. Now this only applies to me, if I were a male.

  • I don’t think so even though I don’t see anything truly wrong with homosexuality. I would just call it different beliefs. But some people are bigots on this issue.

  • No

  • Nope, I think what I think you think what you think end of story. There’s no reason to act like you’re three and call names. Now if these people are violent with their beliefs then that’s not right. It’s all left to perception which can’t be right or wrong

  • nope

  • While I approve of homosexuality, I’m not sure that I would approve of allowing a homosexual person to be a priest in the church, quite simply because it would be against the ideals of a church, and, as I understand it, a religious dogma is not a document like the US constitution, and can’t simply be amended as time goes on. Take note, however, that I speak from a point of view of very little knowledge about the teachings of the church; I’ve simply come to understand, or conclude that homosexuality is not only something which the Catholic church does not condone, but abhors.

    The proper phrase for this might be: “Practice what you preach.”

    Again, though, this could lead to some major religious revolution within the church, which I just don’t see happening, ever. Not so long as a proclamation against homosexuality is in the holy book upon which the religion is founded. I wouldn’t take up any religion and try to alter it to best suit my needs, which is why I have always chosen to remain nondenominational, among many other reasons; Agnosticism is the way for me, but that’s another discussion altogether.

    Stephen

  • that gossipy Beetle is sure a little punk.

  • Should have used a different word than bigot.

    I would have gone with ‘close-minded intolerant scripture-spoutin’ douchebag’ myself.

  • Well no shit they are…
    If you can’t accept someone as a regular person because they are homosexual.. you’re doing the same thing as racism.
    It’s called prejudice.

  • Wow… it’s amazing that people keep calling Christian ignorant and racist. Does the church (no, that does not mean Catholic) fail so much? Or do people just not open their minds to see what the message of God’s word really is. As many people point out, everyone is fallible (mess up). So obviously there will be Christians that mess up too. Should I judge all of the Middle East by bin Laden? Or all of Europe by Hitler? Perhaps all of the US by *your most hated politicians name here*. Catholic priests committing horrible acts to not represent Christ in their action. They represent their own fallible nature. Christianity isn’t racist, sexist or homophobic, but some people are. I could judge Xanga very harshly by some of the hate spouted on here, but that’s not all Xangans, is it?

  • Whether it be by choice, it’s rather a common fact that the Catholic religion is for the most part against homosexuality. Why would you get someone who doesn’t follow a Catholic way of life to be a Catholic teacher? It seems a big hypocritical to me. I understand that everyone sins, however, being homosexual seems to be a larger offense, and would not seem to set the right image as to what Catholics do and do not believe.

    I honestly have no problem with my friends who are gay. I love them to death. However, it’s like if I wanted to be a Rabbi even though I don’t believe know half of the Jewish commandments.

  • no….

  • To me, a bigot is someone who forces their beliefs on others, and hates the person based on a single action/opinion. If a person feels that something is immoral, then that is just personal belief.

    I believe the homosexuality is a sin (so is lieing, stealing, etc.) but I have friends that are bisexual and homosexual as well as heterosexual. I treat them like people should be treated and they are my friends just the same.

    As far as a homosexual being a priest or pastor or such, I don’t agree with it. Most Christian churches do not approve homosexuality (and I don’t think they should approve of it, just like they shouldn’t approve of any other sin), so someone they follow shouldn’t approve of or practice it. Yes, we all sin, but living in a constant state of sin is different than committing sin from time to time. This is what I believe.

  • That depends on what action they take on that belief.

  • [Stop prattling on about the Bible saying homosexuality is wrong.  

    The Bible says a lot of things are 'wrong'. Like eating pork, going to war, having a wet dream, masturbation….

    I don't know how many of you going on about this have eaten bacon or jacked off or had a wet dream, but you should stop doing those before you start going on about homosexuals.]

      There are 3 different types of laws that were established by God.  Civic law, Religious law, and Moral law.  Civic, and Religious laws do not apply today because those were for the Jews only.  Moral law deffinetly applies today because of who God is.  God is unchanging, and so is His morality. 

      We are under a new covanant now, the old law has passed away.  Those laws are only established to reveal our sin, so that we realize that we need a savior.  If you actually would read the NT, you might figure out what you are talking about.  I suggest you do, there is a lot of good stuff in there.     

  • If you consider murder immoral, are you a bigot? Of course not.

    I don’t mean to imply that homosexuality is comparable to murder. But considering something immoral doesn’t automatically mean bigotry.

  • I’d say misguided and misinformed, not a bigot. You are a bigot when you’re intolerant of other people’s actions and beliefs.

  • Does making a moral value judgment about human behavior of ANY kind make one a bigot? If so, then society is done for. Some moral value judgments about human behavior are necessary and legitimate.

    But the real question is on what authoritative basis are those moral value judgments ultimately going to rest? How do you know what’s right and wrong? Are you a subjective relativist? If so, then you deny any objective basis for evaluating human behavior. Are you a utilitarian? If so, then you will constantly seek data to define the “greater good.” Are you a hedonist? If so, then you will base your evaluations on what pleases you. Are you a muslim fundamentalist? If so, then you will seek to impose the rigors of Sharia law on all societies. Are you a biblical Christian? If so, you will seek to live life as God has intended it to be lived (and spend a lifetime figuring out and dmeonstrating what that means).

    I don’t think its bigotry to say that homosexuality is wrong — any more than it is bigotry to say that promiscuity, or alcoholism is wrong.

  • NO! Of course not! We have Biblical justification. I think it might be vice versa! Rightwingstuff.com’s defnition of a bigot is: a conservative winning an argument with a liberal.

    Right Winger

  • The people that keep saying homosexuality is wrong because “it says so in the Bible” are completely ignoring the fact that a large number of other organisms display homosexual behavior. Birds, mammals, amphibians and reptiles. Among others. And what is your explanation for frogs that change genders during their lifespan? Isn’t that God’s endorsement of transvestites?
    How about coming up with some evidence that’s not based on a book written generations ago by a variety of people, translated over and over, and now available in a wide-range of different versions. I’ve read the majority of these comments, and that’s the only reason I’ve seen for your condemning homosexuals. “The Bible says it’s immoral.” “The Bible says it’s a sin.” Try thinking for yourself, isn’t that why God gave you freedom of choice?
    [Edits comment to reduce needlessly inflammatory remarks].

  • No.

  • Then again my definition of a bigot is… an idiot.
    And I think anyone who automatically thinks that homosexuality is immoral is an idiot.

  • [I kind of lost some of the coherence along with the inflammatory remarks, you should be able to make sense of it though].

  • Every person is entitled to their own beliefs … as long as they keep their opinions to themselves!!

  • No. Maybe misinformed or close minded, but not bigoted…

  • I’m not sure you should use science to say that being homosexual is immoral, since science can’t even tell you why someone is homosexual in the first place.

    But from a scientific standpoint, isn’t it the main goal of all species of animals to survive and reproduce? The last I checked, homosexual beings can’t really reproduce so easily, since nature provided males with male parts and females with female parts. You know, like you learned in school, you learned that right? Last I checked they haven’t outlawed teaching that yet.

    Hmm, even science contradicts it…

    There is a non-religious standpoint…

  • Wow!  Look at these folks that are scared of the Bible!  “Don’t quote the Bible to me!”  they hollar, then they expect you to fully accept their viewpoint, whatever it is, and disregard God’s Word.. Yeah right!!

    Get a grip, folks. It’s not what we decide is right. If that were true, there wouldn’t be any moral laws. It’s what God thinks.  He’s the one who knows right from wrong. Ane if you refuse to do this, boy, are you begging for trouble! And you’ll get it.

    God did destroy Sodom and Gommorha because of homosexuality. The homos there wanted to rape the angels that came to rescue Lot and his family. Wanted to rape angels!  How far will you go?? Would you recognize an angel from heaven if you were fortunate to have a visit from one??  Would you be able to feel  the Holy Spirit’s presence emanating from this visitor?  Fallen angel wouldn’t, and neither would a bunch of you who gave politically correct answers or answers that were straight from the heart. Don’t worry. You won’t see God’s angels. You don’t like God, He’ll stay away from you, too.

    Your answers that were straight from the heart proved that you are haters of God, and you will never receive a visit from Him or His angels. Relax.

  • Eforiel: “The people that keep saying homosexuality is wrong because “it says so in the Bible” are completely ignoring the fact that a large number of other organisms display homosexual behavior. Birds, mammals, amphibians and reptiles. Among others. And what is your explanation for frogs that change genders during their lifespan? Isn’t that God’s endorsement of transvestites?”

    Not a bad question. Are you familiar with the idea of the fall of humanity? It’s the idea of when sin entered our lives in creation. The thing with sin is that it did more than just seperate us from God. It perverted everything in this world as far as the world’s relationship with God. The world isn’t as God created it in Eden. This isn’t a perfect world. The “natural world” isn’t perfect while we are imperfect. This world is imperfect.

    Yes, that’s refering to the Bible. Because humanity is not perfection. Sure we can think for ourselves, but do you honestly think that we are in place of God to be able to understand everything? That results in relativism, where truth is simply what you believe. If I believe a truck won’t hit me, does that mean it will stop?

  • Depends on what they do with their belief.

  • yep so be it.  I”m close minded.  We are talking about Gods law here not our own.  LOL it’s all so comical that someone would not think the way I do. 

  • Hi,

    This is my first time here.  I saw your site on featured content and I thought I’d check it out.  It’s cool to see a site where we can talk about Christian stuff on the top of the list.

    I’d just like to start of by saying that I have a biological brother that is gay.

    I’d also like to say that while I love my brother as a person, I don’t agree with the choice that he’s making.  He knows that I love him, and that I take a firm stand on what I believe. 

    The Bible clearly states that homosexuality is wrong in Romans 1.  Yes, we are all sinners and being a Christian doesn’t mean that you are better person than somebody else.  It means that you are pressing on to follow Christ and be imitaters of Him. 

    Although a pastor is just another person that was saved through faith, there is Biblical requirments for those that serve in authority in the church.  If a person was just found to be a murderer last week, do you think he/she should be a pastor?  If a person is a current drug addict, do you think he/she should be a church song leader?  If a person does a little shoplifting and smokes a little weed on the weekends, do you think that they should be on the prayer team?  Of course not!!  We were all sinners, and none of us are perfect, but there has to be some spiritual maturity take place before one should be in authority.

    So, do you think that a man that knows the Bible cover to cover, preaches amazing sermons, is nice and sweet to everyone, but still gay should be a pastor?  I don’t, and here’s why.  If a person cannot admit their wrongs and turn from them, they will lead others in that direction.  If a pastor believes that it’s ok to be gay, there is absolutely a heart issue that is seriously wrong.  If that person is TRULY seeking the Lord, they would recognize their sin in homosexuality, and their own concience wouldn’t let them be a pastor until there was a cleansing process that took place.  Not to say that person could never be a pastor because he was once gay, but matters of the heart are not changed over night.  Although God has done miracles and changed select peoples hearts in an instant, they still must prove there works before they can be a leader.

    God bless

    John Anthony

  • Simply believing a certain behavior is immoral is not bigotry.  Bigotry happens when a person is truly intolerant of that behavior.  Intolerance is refusal to respect contrary opinions or beliefs.  You can disagree with someone and still be respectful.

  • No…. what makes or does not make them a bigot is the way they treat and act towards homosexuals… I think smoking is wrong because it can cause cancer, and I’ve seen the effects of cancer personally through my mom….That doesn’t mean I treat everyone who smokes like an alien or a pervert…lol we’re all screw ups and we’re all in the same boat, so I don’t know why we can’t just love each other the way Jesus loved us. If he were here today, he would certainly treat homosexuals the same way he would treat you and I.

  • vickichicki has an excellent point by the way

  • I would like to stress to these God-haters that God knows it., and He will never force his ways or values on you. No. He will not. He’ll let you live the homo- lifeand get AIDS if that’s what you want. He’ll let you do anything. He only guards the behavior of  people who love Him and allow Him in their life. You have nothing to worry about from God, so calm down. YOU can live your whole life without God, so don’t blow a fuse by just hearing about Him. Or are you jealous?

  • no cuz i’m not a bigot =P

  • RELATIVISM SUCKS! CERTAIN THINGS ARE WRONG FOR ALL PEOPLE!

  • no. it’s not fair to call them that.

  • um..i wouldn’t call them a bigot unless they are really outspoken about it..if you’ve got a problem with something..then why not just let it be

  • Yeah.

  • Hasid; I don’t think that any remarks made from those who seemingly fear the idea of a God, or whatever values the book of said God puts forth stems from a jealousy, persay. Rather, it comes from fear. This fear is had in two ways: Fear of the unknown, and fear of an idea which may have caused you much grief in the past.

    I’m not religious; however, I have no qualms with religion as a whole, or anyone who is religious. I’ve grown to respect differing opinions in life, knowing that nobody can truly force faith itself upon me, nor can I force faith — nor, still, would I want to — onto another. Even among members of the same church, faith/religion, or set of ideals there are always going to be personal differences. In this way, I feel that faith is something entirely unique to the individual self, no matter how similar the ideas of another may seem.

    That said, when I was growing up, at the point where I decided that I no longer wished to attend church — as I felt that I was attending not for myself, but for others — or announced that I was of any religious persuasion, I was met with much intense animosity and accusation from members of the church (which, at the time, was a Methodist establishment; I had earlier attended a Baptist church) that I had “enrolled” myself in. I was very young then, and this sort of almost animalistic visciousness had a very serious impact on the way I percieved any religious establishment for many years after that fact.

    I realize now that, if the idea of a complete tolerance, as supported by God — love others, and the ‘golden rule’ (which is a great one, by the way) — proved that these people were not good representations of the religion with which they associated themselves. The “truly” Christian — or whatever religion they happen to be involved in — people that I know have always loved me regardless of my lack of denomination, dogmatic faith, or other choices in life. If I am ever to return to any church, and put my complete trust and faith into a formal expression or divine/celestial belief, it will be because of THESE people; they have shown me that there is a wonderful side to any church.

    The way I look at it is this: There’s always a chance that there is going to be a rotten apple in a bushel. While this can — and does, for some — ruin “the whole bunch,” it doesn’t have to. It all depends on how you look at it, because just as there are some bad apples, you may very well find the most wonderfully delicious apple of all within that same group. Sometimes it’s a matter of luck, and other times it’s a matter of persistance; you can completely give up the hunt, or, like me, you can keep sifting through the sea of red delight for something worth shining up (and, in the case of an apple, eating: yum!).

    And, of course, there are some people who simply fear the unknown, and the possibility that there may very well be some mystery to life, which is unexplainable by scientific terms. I could go into a big spiel concerning the complete, human perception — special (spee-she-ul, as in “of the species,” in my way of using it), but this comment is already completely off-topic. I thought I’d just toss a little something into the pile.

    Stephen

  • i HATE it when people say stupid shit like: “hate the sin, not the sinner!” um, do you people REALIZE that “the sin” is part of these people’s identity?? so when you hate the sin, you’re being unaccepting of the sinner as a person. coming out is such a difficult thing. a lot of thought and soul-searching goes into this process and it doesn’t help to have conservative folks breathing down their necks, telling them they’re an abhoration to mankind. do everyone a favor and stop making up excuses for being prejudiced. better to just be honest, own up to your own prejudices so the rest of the world doesn’t have to deal with your hypocrisy. a religion that claims to preach love and talks about “hating the sin” is fraught with contradiction. at least be a religion that is consistent in their teachings.

    bigot: a person intolerant of creeds, opinions, etc other than one’s own.

    so in answer to your question, i’d say no. have your own opinions, whatever. i think you become a bigot when you start becoming unaccepting of other people and start imposing stupid laws and such just to enforce your own agenda. god wanted us to choose to follow him, right? not FORCE us to follow them. if we are truly a country with a christian foundation, then allow that freedom of choice within basic human rights.

  • heck no! its according to their religion. i think its wrong but i dont shun those who think its right.

  • no.

  • Yes, they are biast too. I’m straight but I don’t care if someone is homosexual.

  • If we look at the situation and the question that was posed “Is a person who believes that homosexual activity is immoral a bigot?” There are two issues bigotry and the immorality of homosexuality. Alot of the posts are inputing tolerance which is not in the question. I can know and even like people who are homosexual and still not aprove of their behavior. I know people who drink too much and I like them but I do not approve of their behavior. Do I believe homosexuality is immoral? Yes, Romans chapter 1 says so specifically. Does that mean that I don’t like homosexuals, no, it means I don’t like what they do. I have that right and it does not make me a bigot. Do you have a right to like homosexuality and think it a valid lifestyle choice? yes, you do. Do you have the right to think that the Bible is a book full of lies? Yes, you do. Does that make either one of us bigots? No, it makes us people with different belief systems. One of us is right and one of us is wrong and when we die we will find out who was correct.   

  • mightymarce, you don’t know the Bible. It doesn’t say that blacks and women are inferior. It doesn’t even emply it. Go read the Book before you quote it to other peoplel.

    bittersunday, maybe all Christians don’t know the Bible as well as you, but they have one thing you don’t:  an honest relationship with God. God doesn’t demand that you have a commanding knowledge of His Scriptures. He commands that you accept Christ, but only if you want forgiveness, which, you apparently don’t.

  • Wow from the responses here I guess this means I’m a bigot. 

  • Well, Hasid. What about people who don’t believe in the bible? Have you ever considered that maybe not everyone is Christian? You biast.

  • No. How they act towards them make them bigots. I’m gay and I have met heterosexuals that are very reasonable. It was how they were taught and that is what they believe. But there are some that are just horrible in how they act towards and around homosexuals. Those are bigots.

  • Tammyspammy, I am SO GLAD you’re a  bigot!!!! So am I!

  • well here look at this:

    a bigot, hmm, i’m only fifteen (know that it’ll help you understand later on) and hardly ever would i call someone i ‘bigot’ i myself would prefer the term ’stupid’ and i’m sorry i’m missing the point but all right. ‘closed minded’ ??

    wow, closed minded. i’m a christian. that within itself is such a general term i know but when i think of my faith (not religion) i believe in one god right? God- Jesus Christ- blah blah blah. if one takes into consideration that evolution is wrong (& i sometimes say ‘messed up’) then that makes one to have to resort to the latter, which in this case is Creation, the creation of the world and the universe in six/seven days. if one is to believe that God created the universe in six/seven days you must take the whole book (the Bible, thank you) as fact and take apart its word(ing) piece by piece to understand it. as i have found, i cannot do this on my own, i take the teaching of others to help me decipher the words but here… since one is to take the whole book as fact then man&man and woman&woman cannot be together for IN FACT (pardon the capitals) God created man and woman to be together. he didn’t give Adam and Steve, he gave Adam an Eve.

    ah-hah! see now we’re getting somewhere! but before i tell you where we’re getting i’m going to say this. my brothers and ah-hah, sisters, in Christ (i feel like i sound black right now) if they are my siblings in Christ sometimes they do not understand everything … everything that God has put out for us to do. for example some Christians i know cannot tolerate at all homosexuals but how are we (or rather saved Christians) to reach out to them if we cannot tolerate them or anyone else ‘sinful’ for that matter? of course some might be offended by use of the word ‘tolerate’ but if you have any other suggestions i’m up for debate!

    i’m not saying that i know everything there is to know about being Christian because remember i’m only a decade and a half years old. i just say this cause i worry about everyone and hell i do not like to worry! no one in my eyes is considered a bigot, and if i have met one then my eyes decieve me and i am yet to be considered mature.

    (forgive me i’m rattling on but it’s not like you have to read all this crap it is kinda your fault though, you got me started!) the above is just a snippet of what i really feel, i don’t seem to be collecting my thoughts at the moment, i’m tired and beat … crap, i feel dead! D-E-D! i just know that if i don’t want people to go to hell i must try and be what God wants me to be and if that means i must reach out to homosexuals sobeit. i am not the kind to force a certain religion on you (if i believed in a religion) i want the person i am witnessing to to decide for themselves and if not … well maybe next time

    and by the by i’m not catholic so um … yeah. i don’t think about priests, i’m confused about their presence, i am dumb to their teachings, i all know is that i have God, a good pastor, a brand new youth pastor and great Christian parents … but the subject i could get on is a completely different subject c[;

  • And I don’t think anyone has a “fear of the unknown as you so amusingly call it. I think that they believe differently than you and you just can’t accept anyone else’s opinion. You think its wrong but it is just a difference of opinion. The bible also clearly states that God created ALL men and loved them all as if the were his son. So that means he must love the killers, the disbelievers, and, yes, God forbid, the homosexuals. I am not gay myself but I just can’t understand you people. Their lives don’t affect your’s, they can’t help that they are gay (if you even took the time to study the reason why they are that way in the first place), and the aren’t mean to you! SO why do you hate them with suck a passion? Ignorance.

  • hmm… tough question..  i prefer not to say something…lol
    my parents taught me that if i have nothing good to say, i should shut my mouth.. lol
    have a nice day Mr. Dan and thanks again for visiting my page..
    God bless you and your family..:)

  • Evolution makes perfect sense. Natural selection. Look it up sometime. A read the bible now you guys can read some science books.

  • xXsteinerXx, Read my notes again. Of course I’m considering the non-Christians. That’s why I said what I did. No matter the reason, if you don’t trust God, you don’t care much for Him. You are a non-Christian. And God knows that also, and will be glad to leave you as alone as you have left Him. So, what I’m saying is that getting upset over the quotes of the Bible won’t mean that God is going to suddenly descend upon you. He won’t. I was basically addressing the people who were being so ugly in their language about the Bible being quoted, or the fact that God considers that homo- is a sin.  Who do you believe is responsible for our system of moral rights and wrongs? I would be interested to know.

  • Hasid’s comment made me laugh so hard I nearly shat myself.

  • The one about the angel rape, at least.

  • By definition; it would be something to think about.

    Personally, I define a bigot as someone who would be intentionally hateful or disrespectful to someone. But someone who is merely intolerant (without being cruel), I would assume they are uninformed or were taught/grew up that way. It’s hard to break out of the shell you’ve been protected in.

  • xXStinerXx: Since you quoted something that I said in my comment, I’ll act as though you were addressing me, since I can never be sure if someone doesn’t put my name in the comment

    I do not say “fear of the unknown” in an amusing way; it is not meant to discredit, belittle, or begrudge anyone. As I said, I am not religious, nor do I have any issues with those of a homosexual persuasion. I have relatives who are homosexual; I would support anyone, as I do now, who chooses, or realizes that they happen to be attracted to someone of the same sex more strongly than someone of the opposite sex.

    I too feel that if God is true, and if he/she created any man, then all men were made equal, and, as we are now, we remain that way. In this I find that God would love anyone.

    You’ll forgive me if I tell you to re-read my comment in it’s entirety, though. I can tell that you only skimmed the opening, when making your own comment towards it (if, indeed, you are commenting in my direction). If you do you will see several allusions towards people who condemn those OF the homosexual persuasion to be very poor examples of what certain religions do also condone — the love of all others, and the respect, or tolerance (whatever suits anyone) of their beliefs, and choices, even if they do not coincide with your own.

    The “Golden Rule” states: Treat others as you would like to be treated — or something roughly thereabouts. This applies to all facets of one’s life, including sexual orientation, and respect of another’s ideals. I don’t necessarily agree with anyone else on any spiritual matter, but I, as I believe everyone should, respect the fact that every opinion, every faith, every choice, and every person in their entirety is unique.

    Now, you said in that comment to me: “If you even took the time to study the reason why they are that way in the first place.” Beyond psychoanalysis — which, while credited as being reasonable, leaves some measureable room for doubt — and speculation surrounding natural orientation, there is no concrete evidence that I know of, having read much on gender, sex and sexuality, natural roles, and societal roles (developing, and previously established). In a completely un-patronizing way, I’d request that you point me to work in an accredited journal which claims to have the magic end-all, fool-proof evidence for homosexuality in humans (or, if you prefer, in other creatures; I recently read some interesting information on Homosexualy Necrophilia among certain species’ of ducks, which might be worth googling, if you enjoy reading scientific studies).

    Know also that while evolution makes perfect sense to some, it may not to others; there are gaps in the theory large enough that someone prepared for a full-fledged debate on Evolution/adaptation versus immediate creation could probably poke some decent, and reasonable holes with requests that just can’t be filled by current fossil records (not to say that I don’t believe, as I do enjoy, and entertain the idea of evolution, rather than creation in our present forms — though I don’t rule out an initial creation of some type (not in present form), rather than large explosion of matter by random circumstance), as I always leave room for the possibilities in the places where we do not current possess unrefutable (would it be “un” or “in?”) proof.

    Currently, there is no end-all theory, so attempting to debate whether homosexuality is a sin of man, or a byproduct of evolution and nature, in order to reach some monumental conclusion is a long, long way off. We don’t even have a unified theory of emotion; how do you expect us to be able to completely conclude existance as a whole?

    I promote respect; I ask for it, and I give it. I have no problems with anyone. There are good and bad apples everywhere. Looking at only one or the other makes for too narrow a viewpoint, in this vast world.

    Stephen

  • Anatomic conversion, you are right, of course. In your reasoning, I mean. However, you have left out the people who are angry with God for some reason. For my father, it was because when he prayed for his mother to live, she died. My dad was 8 years old at the time. He carried this anger until middle age, and by the time he was elderly, he had accepted Jesus as his Savior.

    You remind me of my father so much. I guess that those Methodists really hurt you, and they shouldn’t have. Theirs was not Christian behavior, so you’re right there also. The tho’t you put into your replies is good, and you never say anything to hurt anyone. I appreciate that. You are a very gentle person. I would be proud to call you my son. You could be my 3rd, as I already have 2 sons.

    I always read your replies. You disagree so nicely, and you are reasonable in these differences of opinion. I  appreciate this, also. I guess I’m writing from a mother’s point of view. I hope you are not disappointed.

  • Absolutely not. Where is the logic in that? Just because someone else belives something different from you, you think you can call it bigotry? Who are you to say that? The idea is completely ridiculous.

    [ariana]

  • bigot doesn’t have to always be a negative word.

    so yes.

  • depends on ones view on the meaning of bigot….1, just because some one has strong feelings on a certain matter doesnt make them a bigot as long as they are openminded..but stand by their own beliefs…now if someone is like hey now fuck you and the way you are im right your not and your going to hell…then yes you are a bigot. 2, others think that if you stand by your beliefs even if you have nothing bad to say then you are still in fact a bigot…me im with the first one.

  • The reason Christians believe that homo- is a choice is because God doesn’t tell us to forego what we have no control over. If  He tells us to forego homo-,  why then, we must have control over it.

  • Hasid; strangely, I already have three women — all mothers of various friends — including my own attempting to claim me as their son. But, that’s simply because I spend a bit too much time at their houses, and eat my fair share of their food

    I suppose I did forget to include people who are angry at God, or the possibility/idea of a God(s), for a failure to “deliver” when they may have prayed, or asked for something. Early in my life I begrudged god something fierce because I felt — when I still believed, in my pre-pubescent years — that he had let me down. I grew up, and remain — though to a much smaller extent — in a slightly impoverished home, in a neighborhood that isn’t one of the nicest. I’ve gotten used to it, by this point in my life, but previously I had prayed for some miraculous event that would whisk my parents away from stress, and my home out of the dumps that it was, and still is, in.

    When this prayer wasn’t answered, I became increasingly angry. I had always done my best to love others, and respect my parents, help out as I could, etc. I watched them struggle to make ends meet every day, and I just wanted them to get out of that rut. So I prayed; and I prayed, prayed, and prayed again. Nothing happened. Being as young as I was, the lack of immediate reception really hit me hard, and so I was filled with hate.

    But, as with many things, I’ve grown out of that. It’s childish. God or no god, I was silly to be so filled with rage over something not happening; regardless of what, if anything, heard those prayers, there are many people in this world — many who are much worse off than I am, all of which are not as bad off as another person somewhere else, and so on. So, I can’t complain too much; things could always be worse. That’s one of the things I love about Buddhism, which I looked over for a while — through peace I discover that there is always a solution, always a bright side, et cetera.

    The Methodists who shunned me were poor examples of their faith, I feel. Though I don’t share it now, while I was a member of that church, those many years ago, a major concept in my personal beliefs was “love;” another was “respect.” When these people who professed their love for others turned so vile towards me, once I was no longer “one of them,” I felt so taken back that I didn’t want to put my faith in anyone, or anything. Now, I put my faith on those who I love, and who I feel love me, and I am comfortable with that. I simply feel that it takes a lot of maturing, and personal growth to rebuild yourself from such an attack, especially one sustained at as young an age I then was.

    Stephen

  • OK.. there you go with those crazy ass questions again.. sigh!

    You totally forgot about me or what??

  • Who said anything about hiding behind a bible? I believe that book is what has defined our entire American cloture! Or at least, was intended to by our founding fathers. I agree, hate the sin, not the sinner. The Bible is absolute truth; it came from the mouth of God! Look at the books of Matthew, mark and Luke, and you’ll see how although written and published several years apart still hold true to the facts of the time period, and contain the exact same stories as each other. We Christians of COURSE struggle with love, because being human, it doesn’t come naturally. So simply saying that I’m a Christian doesn’t mean I have perfect love and complete tolerance. I have to constantly work at it, and I fail ALOT. I believe that all forms of homosexuality are sins, because the Bible says so! But we still have to love our neighbor, and if your neighbors gay, that doesn’t let you off the hook. I admit whole-heartedly that that’s something that I need to work on.

  • You can disagree with someone and their lifestyle etc.  When you become judgemental and intolerant toward people, you become a bigot.

    Erika

  • but im not a bigot at all mind you….

  • If so, I am a bigot of all bigots.

    Nicholas

  • “they can’t help that they are gay” – nope sorry, that is a poor excuse for a lack of willpower on their part.There has yet to be solid evidence of a “gay” gene. They can make a choice. And they have. The reason so many people have “come out of the closet” so to speak is because of the societal tolerances that we are faced with today. It is now ok for people to act out, where before it was taboo, and not something to show off with.Temptation speaks all kinds of languages..and peer pressure plays a part as well.  The reason for Adam to be Adam and Eve to be Eve has something to do with procreation…when you are gay – it is not going to happen..no matter how much you would like it to. Am I a bigot because I believe this way…I do not think so. I am not gay bashing, I am not throwing gay people out of my house. Even if you don’t look at the Bible, there are so many diseases that are out there for the gay community. I am not talking about Aids alone. And I am educated enough to know that AIDS can be transferred by other means. There is a pseudo freedom that I think stems from the fact that there is no risk of pregnancy, so you can have lots of partners..and that leads to the problems. Not every gay person in the world is a party animal…I know this to be true as well.

    Looking at the Bible..God says that homosexuality is an abomination …that is not mincing words there folks. He doesn’t like it. In the same breath He will tell you that if there was only one person on  the earth, Jesus still would have taken up the cross..gay or not.We are to love them..not what they do. And pray for them…

    I think if we bash and cause hurt feelings, they will get defensive and will turn away from the church altogether. This does not mean  that I will condone what they do…I just do not treat them any differently than I would any other person. I ask that my wishes are respected when it comes to pda around my children..but I think that is reasonable….

    anyway, there is my answer..a little drawn out…but it is what it is.

  • Bigot? No. Ignorant? Yes.

  • No …

  • thank you dori_d!

    i’d suggest reading the book of Romans if your curious about any verses posted on here. don’t stop there, but it’s a good starting place. it’s all truth. you can trust that because God doesn’t lie, and he was the author.

    please, don’t take offense to this, but what do you mean by ignorant? seriously, i’m just curious.

  • NO!

  • a stupid bigot

  • Not necessarily.  If they believe it is immoral because of their religion, that’s fine.  Whatever.  But if they believe homosexuality is immoral because it’s gross, then yeah, they’re a bigot.

  • “bittersunday, maybe all Christians don’t know the Bible as well as you, but they have one thing you don’t:  an honest relationship with God. God doesn’t demand that you have a commanding knowledge of His Scriptures. He commands that you accept Christ, but only if you want forgiveness, which, you apparently don’t.”

    No, but I expect people to at least not be ignorant about it.  I never said I had a “commanding” knowledge, but if people are going to claim to be Christians, you would think they would at least ATTEMPT to read the Bible and know what it says.

    Besides…your comments on this are so sardonic and so defensive, and not very Christ-like in the least.  “Homo-style life and get AIDS”.  VERY Christ-like.  *rolls eyes*  I’m sure Jesus was just cheering you on when you wrote that.

    Hate-filled Christians.  Tsk tsk!

  • Hmm.. good one. People who shun or are mean to homosexuals because of religious beliefs are simply closed minded and hypocrites…. I know one of our flower shops here in Hillbillyville is run by a gay guy… there are people who refuse to do business there because of his sexual preference. Thats just stupid. Love one another and all that….

  • i dont know how ones gonna be a priest and be homosexual at the same time.. it’s just hypocritical since they are supposed to believe that homosexuality is a sin, as asserted by christianity.  so i dont think that has anything to do with people rejecting that notion being called bigots b/c they might just be saying that the issue is contradictory, rahter than that they’re against homosexuality or anything

  • Yes, I believe He was cheering me on. I’m sorry, but I still believe that God prefers faith over intellectualism. I know a lot about the Bible, too, but all Christians just don’t. Making fun of them or saying they should is not allowing for their situations or limitions. Isn’t that what this whole question is about? Tolerance?

    Homosexuality is wrong. No question. You want to believe otherwise, it’s your choice, but you’re arguing with the God who created you, as well as the Universe. And, I don’t see the non-Christians on this site sheathing their claws. Bullies never like to have it socked right back to them. They can dish it out, but they can’t take it.

    Yes, I believe God was cheering me on. As for my reaction to the rest of your comments, go to my site, and you’ll find what I think of a non-Christian’s judgment.

  • yes. Call me something mean, but yes. It’s not immoral. It’s called love, jerks. Not all homosexual activity is based solely on sex! I think a helluva lot of people forget that, wow!, gay people can actually love too!

  • Bittersunday, my last comments were meant for you, dear.

  • I’ve met several gay people. I have known gay people as friends. I do not approve of their lifestyle. I believe that the Bible is very clear that it is a sin. However, a bigot scrutinizes things about a person that cannot be changed. A person living in the world, unsaved, is in no better or worse shape if they are gay or not. However, a person cannot rightly call themselves a follower of Jesus and at the same time be a homosexual.

    The reason this is so argued over is because unlike other sins, homosexuality is a identity defining sin. Many people (who may or may not be Christians) lie from time to time, but they would never introduce themselves as “a liar.” Homosexuals however, use this sinful behavior to define who they are.

    There isn’t anything wrong with being gay, unless of course, you want to be a follower of Jesus.

  • No.

    (((((( GRANDMA HUGS ))))))

    Lori

  • small reminder…this is a question…people have opinions…let’s do what we can to leave the pointed comments aside..debating about the Bible and pros and cons has much less of a lifespan when the comments are heated and there is a lack of the holy spirit…just my 2 cents…not pointing fingers at any one in particular..but some of this is getting a little bit ugly…

  • And where exactly was I making fun of people who know less than I do?  Blind faith is never a good thing to go on.  I’d expect Christians to at least know WHAT they believe and WHY.  Let’s say the Christian god does exist.  He gave us reason, logic, and brains with which to use.  Why should that be dumbed down?

    “Bullies never like to have it socked right back to them. They can dish it out, but they can’t take it.”

    Three quotes for that–”An eye for an eye leaves everyone blind.”  “Two wrongs don’t make a right.”  And I remember someone famous saying something along the lines of “turn the other cheek”.  Oh, WHO was that?  Oh, JESUS! 

    That whole “Bullies never like to have socked right back at them” is not only un-Biblical, it’s kind of ridiculous.

    As for your site…that’s fine if you never take into consideration the judgement of a non-Christian.  After all, what do they know, right?  Except aren’t Christians trying to REACH them?  So shouldn’t they take into consideration what non-Christians have to say?  Jeeze.

    And if you really think that Jesus or God was cheering you on when you made that scathing and cruel remark about AIDS…then I think you might have another thing coming.  The god my parents raised me to worship was a god of love, not a god of cruelty and “dishing it back at them”.

    And that’s my two cents.

  • No, I don’t think that believing homosexuality is wrong makes you a bigot.  As a bisexual female, I can say that yes, the Bible states that homosexuality is wrong.  Then again, it also states that you shouldn’t have sex before marriage, and lots of people do that.  =)  I think that you’re only a bigot if you’re being truly hypocritical (for instance, “homosexuality is wrong but I gambled all my money away after sleeping with my wife’s sister”).

  • So is ANYONE who makes a moral judgment automatically a bigot? 

  • not at all.

  • I actually agree with h__dizzle. I do think homosexuality is wrong, but so is premarital sex and adultery.

  • The Bible is an book written o’er a period of many centuries, and yet has been demonstrated to contain wisdom that is just as useful today as at any time in history. If a person chooses to beliefe (guess which letter on my keyboard is not working)the Bible and what it says about homosexuality I beliefe is not a bigot necessarily. I do think that christians sometimes need to repackage the retoric and not be so harsh about expressing their beliefs. Homosexuals are people too.

  • some

  • Oh crap.  How did I miss this?

    YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • No, I don’t believe a person who considers homosexual activity immoral is a bigot…a bigot is someone who insults  a person just because of their religion, beliefs, race, or orientation.  Like using the ‘N’ word, or calling someone a fag or something stupid and disrespectful like that. 

  • Yes.

  • Hmmm…..  That’s a harsh assessment to make. 

    I believe that one is born either heterosexual or homosexual.  I don’t think it is a “choice” the person makes.  If you consider that a statement of fact, then to discriminate against a person for being a homosexual would be wrong and  you would be a bigot.  [bigot: One who is strongly partial to one's own group, religion, race, or politics and is intolerant of those who differ.]

    If you consider a person’s sexuality a choice that they make, then I don’t believe you are neccessarily a bigot.  I would, however, ask you to look at the facts a bit better and search your heart for why you feel the way you do.  Do you react strongly in a negative way because homosexuality is something you don’t understand?  Do you feel threatened by homosexuals because you are uncomfortable with something so unfamiliar to you?  Why do you feel the way that you do?  Fear of something we don’t understand often turns into prejudice.  Are you prejudiced against homosexuals?

    I’m going to restate that I believe we are born the way we are.  You could say that God made us this way.  I don’t think that God makes mistakes, do you? 

    If you believe it is a choice we make, I have to ask you:  “When did you decide that you were going to be heterosexual?”.

  • NO. There are two types of people in this world. Breeders and homosexuals. The breeders don’t like homosexuals but that’s not bigotry it’s just anger. Even so, sexual preference is a proclivity not a race so bigotry isn’t the proper definition. I don’t know.

  • It is not bigotry to think another position or behavior wrong. I disagree with most politicians, sometimes for moral reasons. Bigotry results when we treat others as less than human for doing things we don’t like. I believe adultry is immoral, but I don’t treat people who have done that any less than I do any other human.

    Are we bigots for believing suicide bombing is wrong?

  • If so, then call me a bigot. Heck, call God a bigot. I dare ya.

  • YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • I believe that is bigotry to make a statement like that.  For several millennia, many different religions have professed the immorality of homosexuality and for someone, who has decided that in the past few decades that belief should change, to say we are bigots for voicing such a statement, then they themselves are prejudice.  The Gods of many different religions have frowned upon homosexuality and it is indeed an immoral act.  Now, the  problem is that some people use that as an excuse to hate or belittle homosexuals.  This is not befitting either.  You should hate the SIN, not the sinner. 

  • Absolutely not. Homosexuality is merely a sexual preference, so are heterosexual people bigots for sticking to our sexual guns as well?

    Why point fingers and call names when it’s so much easier to make friends and smile?

    Silly prejudices.

  • In response to eeyore17026’s statement, yes, I agree with you that homosexuality is what some people are born with, but I also believe some people choose homosexuality.  I’m sure there are plenty of people out there that have had a difficult experience in relationships that have led them to a homosexual lifestyle.  Some even admit that they went homosexual because of a neglectful mother or father.  Others because of an abusive spouse.  Those people seek love where ever they can and if it is with a person of the same sex, then they enter a homosexual lifestyle.  BUT, what those people need to understand and what they distort with their irrational thinking is LOVE does not always have to have SEX.  God loves us and so does Jesus.  Jesus loved everyone enough to die for them.  These abused people should realize that they can receive love from friends of the same gender, but they don’t have to have sex with them.  That is where they distort the teaching “love one another” (John 13:34).  Homosexuality is a sin, and as Jude said, “Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire” (Jude 1:7; emphasis added).
    Marriage between a man and a woman is ordained of God for the procreation of human life and the binding of husband and wife for them to do good.  That is why so many religions also teach premarital sex is wrong, too.
    Anyway, for those who I believe are born with the problem of homosexuality, I believe they are given that weakness so they can prove there willingness to serve God by following His commandments.  We are all given weaknesses that we must overcome in order to prove to God that we are worthy of His grace.  The natural man is an enemy to God and so, we must all overcome such natural weaknesses.  Homosexuals can be helped with their problem by those who can love them and care for them to overcome their difficulties.As I said before, you hate the SIN, NOT the sinner.

  • What?! Intelligent conversation?!?! I want in!
    NO,NO,NO,NO. No one on earth agrees with the lifestyle of EVERY single person in the world. People are raised with different beliefs, in different cultures, having different standards and morals. No one can possibly agree with the other 10 billion people on earth in every aspect of life. So, no. Not unless, of course, we are ALL bigots.

  • No. It just goes to show the narrow mindedness of those labeling a person a bigot.

  • Yes…

  • So, Titanphemus, to follow The Bible exactly, a person who is unable to bear children should not be allowed to marry?  What about those who can but choose not to?  Are they going against the scriptures?  Should we have a fertility test given to couples before marriage?  What about some sort of legally-binding letter of intent to procreate?  And how many children?  Should one continue to have children regardless of whether they can afford a larger family or not?  What about the health of the mother – should that be considered? Should there be a minimum amount of children produced in a marriage?  We’d better get a committee together to search the scriptures concerning the details…..

    And while we’re at it….  I guess we should banish shellfish from our diets.  A woman who is menstuating should be isolated for a week – and all cleansing activities describe in Leviticus should be followed as well. Aren’t we supposed to make slaves of people of a certain nationality….  I must research that…..

    My point is that you can’t pick and chose if you are going to say that we must follow the dictates of The Bible exactly…..   

    Do you really think that is what is intended?

  • NO!!! 

  • No

  • As a Christian, I can say that homosexuality is wrong.  There are many things that are wrong.  The thing to remember is that we are a fallen people.  Everyone struggles with sin.  Homosexuality is sin, lying is sin, lust is sin, etc.  One thing I’ve been learning at college is that it’s not a person’s sin that you are to focus on.  You focus on the person, then their sin.  Make sure they know you care.  I care about them even though what they do is immoral to me.

    Another thing to think about is if there are two parts to homosexuality.  I’ve always understood it that there is an inner struggle with homosexuality and then the public announcement, which I’ve taken as being gay.  I’ve got friends who struggle with it internally, but are not openly homosexual.  This brings the debate about temptation being sin.  Is their homosexual struggle a sin?  I don’t think so.

    The key thing to remember is that we’re all sinful and that there is no recovery from our sin disease except through Jesus.  Call me close-minded if you will, but Jesus has to be who he said he was.  His life, death, and resurrection are the only way to redemption for this sin thing we’ve all got.

  • no!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • definitely not. If you’re a priest and you’re representing God you have to follow his ways and his word. It says in the bible that Homosexuality is wrong. I have nothing against homosexuals but I believe that Homosexuality is wrong because that was what I was taught and what is in the bible. I love everyone not everyone’s actions.

  • definitely not. If you’re a priest and you’re representing God you have to follow his ways and his word. It says in the bible that Homosexuality is wrong. I have nothing against homosexuals but I believe that Homosexuality is wrong because that was what I was taught and what is in the bible. I love everyone not everyone’s actions.

  • No, everyone is entitled to their opinion. The bigots are the people who actively discriminate against others. You can believe whatever you want, you just can’t deny another person the right to believe what they want as well.

  • No. Hate the sin..not the sinner. I do not support anything that is gay, lesbian or bi-sexual oriented.

  • No! The Bible teaches that homosexuality is wrong–so how is it wrong for a Christian to oppose it? There’s a difference between standing firm in one’s beliefs and being a jerk about it.

    And to those of you pointing out the harshness of the Old Testament, I’d like to point out that the New Testament cancels out the Old–none of the Christians I know stay away from shellfish because of what the Bible says. I’m not saying the Old Testament is totally irrelevant (there are still a bunch of stories that are good for helping with day-to-day life), just that it was a stop-gap measure until the permanent fix came along (Jesus).

  • No.  Everyone has their own beliefs and their own perspectives on many different things.  We wouldn’t have such a fantastic world if people all thought the same way, it would be bland and boring and there would be no use for this site any longer. 

    Opposition in all things.  

  • But I don’t think beliving differently from someone means you have the right to insult them, act inappropriately toward them, or do anything else to make them feel as if they weren’t an integral part of society. 

  • People are not born with homosexuality. Oh geesh, show me the proof ….and you can’t. As far as a choice to be heterosexual…there is none..that is what God intended us to be.

    I have already posted once about societal tolerances..but that is what we are up against. Temptation plays in there as well, but we have been open to so many things that before were taboo. Peer pressure plays a part in it, as well as curiousity. It is really easy to talk yourself into believing something if the temptation is great enough….

    Here is my question to anyone who believes that people can be born homosexual. Why would God call it an abomination and then create someone with that persuasion?

  • No. The Bible has clear teachings on homosexuality. Everyone has a right to believe the teachings of their own religious book, whether it is a Bible, or a Torah, or a Koran.

  • it would depend upon how they express the belief that homosexuality is immoral.  i have friends who believe it is immoral to drink, and yet they do not go around beating up people who drink or calling everyone who has a glass of wine an ‘alkie’.  there are people who believe that premarital sex of any sort is immoral, and yet they do not go around calling everyone “slut” either.

    i think bigotry has an active component to it that sets it beyond prejudice.  perhaps a very thin line, but a line nonetheless.

  • A very interesting thought: should infertile people not allowed to be married?  No.  And I’ll tell you why.  In Genesis 2:18 God said, “it is not good that the man be alone; I will make him an help meet.”  So, yes they may not be able to procreate, but I didn’t say that was the only reason for marriage.
    For those who are married and decide to not have children, I would advise them to think otherwise because the commandment to bare children is still in effect.  Should we create legislation for procreation?  No.  The Constitution prohibits such an act.  Should we limit the number of children? No.  That decision is between husband and wife and their relationship with the Lord.  Women who have health issues should likewise consult their husband and the God they worship.
    Concerning the cleansing habits of Leviticus, the Savior said that those laws were fulfilled in Him and that He brought a greater law: love God and your fellow men.  If you think about it, if we follow those two laws, we are following the Ten Commandments, too.
    And finally, should we follow the Bible exactly?  No.  I am confident that many plain and precious truths were lost in the Bible because of multiple translations and other misunderstandings.  Jesus taught in parables that weren’t meant to be taken literal.  Why?  To teach those who were searching for the truth.  The Pharisees always had problems understanding Jesus because they only hear and understood what they wanted to.
    Ultimately, we will all be judged for our own sins.  Some people use this as an excuse to tell others to stop pointing fingers, but I feel that those who know truth should share it with others.  Jesus and His apostles all taught the truth to everyone that would listen and we should be doing likewise.
    I know some people who would say, “But I know some homosexuals, and they are good people.  I just can’t believe that being a homosexual is wrong if they are still good people.”  What I tell them is yes, they are right.  They are good people, but the Lord has asked us not to indulge in such things, so we should try to help them.Finally, I would like to ask some questions.  Should those who have other problems be led to believe that they were born with that problem and should just be accepted?  Should murderers, rapist, pedifiles, adulterers, pornographers, molesters, thieves, embezzlers, alcoholics, drug addicts, gamblers, terrorists, arsonists, tyrants, and bullies be accepted because they were born or even raised that way?  No.  They should be helped.  Saul, who was later named Paul, helped in the arrest, persecution, and imprisonment of many Christians.  Later, he repented and was called to be a missionary of truth to the Gentiles.  He was the author to nearly half of what is the New Testament and faithful unto his death.  His sins were not accepted and change was required of him.  So, too, should we ask the  same of everyone, for we are all sinners.

  • Right on, Jamzjen!!!

  • live and let live. agree to disagree. not everyone is going to love you, agree with you, support what you do during your lifetime. learn to live with it and do it quickly, for pete sake. this gay issue is old. i’m sure we’ve all realised that not everyone is going to agree with each other, EVER. No matter how much debating is done.

  • no.

  • one thought i forgot to share: the Episcopal Church has ordained an active homosexual to the position of Bishop.  this was done after much soul searching, debate, scriptural research, and the sweating of blood… we are all sinners and none of us is WORTHY of God’s grace.  but God is merciful and extends that grace to all who believe.  it is NOT our place to stand in judgement of any sort — remember that Jesus brought many into the fold that were otherwise called anathama.  remember that God changed the dietary laws for Peter in the vision of the forbidden foods.  do not limit the Holy Spirit or God in God’s activity — as we grow and progress in life and love, God reveals Godself more and more. 

    it is our job to love everyone.  if there is ever to be a judge, it is God who holds that perogative.  more than any good parent, God will let us grow into the calling God has for us.  it is possible that the ordination of this homosexual priest (who was supported by most of the Episcopalians in his diocese, as well as his clerical peers) will bring him to a new understanding of his sexual orientation. likewise it is possible that his ordination will bring the Church as a whole to a new understanding of his sexual orientation.  regardless, it is God’s work to judge, not ours, and we should let God get on with it without our interference.

    the theologian, Thomas Merton, had a good prayer: “Lord, if it is thy will, further it, and if it is not thy will, redeem it.” amen

  • Let’s just say you should know that a round peg does not go in a square hole.

  • no, definately not. Just because we believe the bible speaks against homosexuality (it does), and we believe that members of the clergy (preachers, pastors, priests, whatever) should not be engaging in unrepented, continuing sin (yes, sin- the Bible says homosexuality is sin). Would you let an alcoholic become a pastor? Would you let a gambler become a pastor? The Bible lists homosexuals among those people- continuing, unrepented sin.

  • homosexuality is immoral.  being a homosexual is not.  it’s the activity that is the sin, not the state of being.  in the same way that i can be an idiot, but i’m not a practicing idiot until i open my mouth.  it’s equivalent to premarital straight sex.  it’s immoral. straight people who aren’t married shouldn’t have sex, when they do it’s a sin.  if believing that makes me a bigot, so be it, i’ll meet God face to face one day and give an account of everything i say, think, do, etc.  let’s let God be the judge of who is what.  all we can do is do our best to love Him, serve others, share with the poor, and follow the pretty clear example given us in Jesus’ life. 

    concerning if priest/pastor/etc. should be able to be a homosexual, i would say go for it; just don’t be a practicing homosexual or an advocate of homosexual lifestyles.  in the same way that we are to beat our flesh into submission, i’d say that homosexual priests and ministers should beat their desires into submission as an act of worship for God.  if this priest/pastor/etc. were to screw up then they should be removed in the same way a straight priest/pastor/etc. would be removed for marital unfaithfulness. 

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  • Hi what’s a bigot?

  • bigot for sure.

    ignorant too.

  • No!
    You’re only a bigot if you decide that homosexuals are disgusting because you simply don’t like them. If you have a reasoned and logical basis for not agreeing with homosexuals being leaders in the church, then you’re fine. Bigotry implies ignorance, and calling someone a bigot simply because they don’t agree with your standpoint (homosexuals as leaders in a church) is bigotry in itself!

  • I guess I will give my two cents even though it is probably only worth a half a penny. I will try to answer this question with an analogy. I go to a Bible College. At my Bible College there is quite a large portion of people who believe drinking any alchahulic beverage is wrong. I on the other hand only believe that getting drunk is wrong and I will have a beer or a glass of wine every once in a while. Now I would say there are five group of people when it comes to the alchahoul issue. Group 1= alchahauilics Group 2= Moderate drinkers like me Group 3 = People who won’t drink but think it is cool if you do  Group 4 = People who don’t think anyone should drink but they will love me anyway.  Group 5 = (only had 1 or 2 like this) Opposed to anyone drinking and they get pissed off at even the idea that me as a Christian would drink beer and think it is ok and they start ranting and raving and throwing things.

    Now I would consider Group 5 people to be bigots. But Group 4 are not. They just happen to think it is morally unacceptable.

    When it comes to homosexuality I fall into group 4. Now I must admit there can sometimes be a thin line between group 4 and 5 just like there can be a thin line between group 1 and 2.

    Ultimately the main thing that matters is an attitude of love.

    I have a sister that is a drug addict and I highly disaprove of what she has done to herself. However I still love her. I don’t think I am bigoted towards her. I will not encourage anyone to practice homosexuality. I will encourage them to give up the lifestyle. But with the strength God gives me I will love them anyways.

    Hope that was long winded enough

  • no.

  • X24R0C57 speaks:

    Humanely wouldn’t they be, so to speak, unsexual?

    TRE

  • Ah, interesting views some of these people have.

    I honestly just don’t understand how one can be a priest and homosexual, since people are always complaining about homosexuality going against the bible…not that I think anything is wrong with it.

    But to your 24th commenter, homosexuality is something you feel. Thought I suppose everything about this subject depends on where one thinks homosexuality comes from.

  • No, just severly misinformed. How is happiness immoral?

    I wouldn’t go so far as to call them a biggot, but I would call them an idiot.

  • yes

  • I think the only people that I can consider close minded are the ones that used arguments that they knew nothing about on both sides. Todays world is about seeing things from others perspectives. No, I may not know the hardships of what it is to be gay (nor do I), but I would certainly hope as an individual that you would see that I have my beliefs, and you have yours. I respect that you most certainly follow the beat of your own drum, but do not impede on something as sacred as being a priest in the house of God. You’ve chosen a lifestyle, I’ve chosen mine, they are obviously not meant to cross, lest you repent. See what I mean? People were so focused on getting the best of each other that they forgot to realize something… God’s in control. We can argue till we’re blue in the face, I’ll point to the bible, you’ll call me close minded, I’ll call you ignorant. It’s all a matter of perspective. I would hardly call homosexuality a belief, but no, I think a person standing up for their beliefs is not a bigot.

  • As I said in my other post, homosexuality is not wrong accorind to the bible. Sex before marriage is wrong and gay marriage is wrong according to the bible. If I meet someone who thinks homosexuality is wrong, but doesn’t do anything about it or insult homosexuals, I’m alright with that (for the most part.) I just tend to get defensive about that subject, because my mom is a lesbian.

  • OK I take issue with the “hate the sin, love the sinner” phrase.

    What is to hate about two people’s love.

    NOTHING! 

    simply hating their love seems even bigoted, or at least ignorant. 

    These are the same folk who bring us the half assed acceptance, like, “Being gay is not wrong, but acting on it is”  Thanks, but no thanks, that is not acceptance at all. When you accept gay people, you come to our house and have dinner, invite us to yours, go out and spend time with us, come to our wedding, invite us to yours, share in our lives, just like people, cause that is what we are!  PEOPLE!

  • misinformed more like, but not a bigot.

  • Good question, I have to chew on that one.

  • no, we’re opinionated and biblical.  I once heard a preacher hold up his Bible with the spine facing the audience.  He said “Some people say I am narrow minded.”  He put his thumb on one side of the spine, and his index finger on the other.  “Well, my mind is about this narrow…”

    And I say amen!

  • No, but I would deem them ignorant.

  • Bigots are not only intolerant but bullies who seem to need to change other people’s minds. You can have a strong belief in something but it doesn’t mean you are right or that you have the right to force someone else to abide by your rules – or even to listen to them. Being religious has nothing to do with it. There are lots of religious bigots just as there are lots of atheist bigots, there are racists of all colours, sexists of both sexes, and so on.      

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