April 28, 2007
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Smoking
There have been a whole lot of laws passed against smoking recently.
Have we come to the place where we are now being unfair to smokers?
There have been a whole lot of laws passed against smoking recently.
Have we come to the place where we are now being unfair to smokers?
Comments (136)
Naaah.
Smokers have been unfair to the nonsmokers for years.
My father smokes. I’ve been choked by second hand smoke my entire life.
His habit shouldn’t be mine, too.
perhaps. though its hard to judge
No. not at all. i dont even know how to support that. it’s better for their health, it kills you.
who cares…smoking is a horrible habit. Besides…nonsmokers hate to be around smokers…smoke sucks
Unfair? lol.
No.
Well… I don’t exactly know what the laws are so… they may be unfair. But unless it’s like, You can’t smoke in your own home or car or similar place, I really don’t think so. Banning smoking right outside the doors of office buildings and inside restaurants (and right outside the doors of restaurants…or malls) are all great ideas.
“Smokers have been unfair to the nonsmokers for years.” Nice. *high fives*
No way it should be illegal
I agree with xthread
Thank you, xthread.
It’s as unfair as restricting any other addictive substance.
Because cigarette smoke smells horribly and it is very distracting to other people who happen to be eating.
Laws against smoking in restaurants and airplanes, those are fine. In close enclosed quarters, nonsmokers shouldn’t have to breathe it in.
Laws against smoking in school buildings and university buildings and offices, still fine. Ideally smoking should be outdoors.
Laws against smoking in parks and parking lots and outdoor public places? Now we’re starting to cross the line. Secondhand smoke isn’t as much a concern when you’re in the outdoors with the breeze and the air all around. Now you are starting to be unfair to smokers.
I’m a once-a-month pipe smoker. Usually I’ll go sit on the porch of my apartment building to do it, lacking a fire escape or balcony or other convenient spot. Once that becomes illegal, well, I’ll be mad.
Ha! How are we unfair to smokers? It’s the other way around, thanks.
Ha! How are we unfair to smokers? It’s the other way around, thanks.
Personally, I like the smoking laws here in NY. I went south recently and got asked in a restaurant “Smoking or Non-Smoking.” I had totally forgot that other places dont take it as seriously. But I prefer health. To me, having a smoking section in a restaurant is like having a peeing section in a pool.
Yeah. You non-smoking bastards have us on telephone poles.
unfair to smokers…are u kidding…second hand smoke has killed more people than smoking has
It’s as unfair as restricting any other addictive substance.
Posted 4/28/2007 12:26 PM by prncssjanie
Right then. No coffee drinking allowed in restaurants or public parks! Ban soda! Stop eating that chocolate! *snort*
Seriously, it’s not the addictiveness that is the issue–it’s balancing of the right for smokers to do their thing with the right of nonsmokers to not have to breathe it if they don’t want to. If the addictiveness was the issue, well, there’s plenty of things most of us eat that would also be restricted.
Also, we as adults should have a choice to addict ourselves to certain things like tobacco or coffee. We’re not children anymore, and we don’t need the Nanny State to hold our hand when we cross the street. If I eventually get mouth cancer because of my pipe, well, it’s a risk I knowingly took–and part of what it means to be an adult is to take responsibility for your own actions.
What the State’s legislation should be doing is protecting those who have not made that choice. And that’s what it is doing–thought it’s starting to toe the line.
Personally, I don’t want to be around someone elses fumes while attending class or going out to eat. But when their outside, they should be able to do what they please. Laws banning smoking outside on public property, or even on private property (if a neighbor complains) are ridiculous.
No way it should be illegal
Posted 4/28/2007 12:26 PM by alexiah100
The only difference between smoking and things like alcohol or coffee is the secondhand factor. Nobody worries about getting secondhand cholesterol when they sit next to a guy eating three Big Macs. So the only laws that should be applied to smokers are those which would negate the secondhand factor.
But banning it altogether? On what grounds? Are we going to outlaw alcohol too? We all know how well that worked last time (and if you young ones don’t, go dig in your history books for “Prohibition”).
^Well said, Ayliana87
It’s not fair to make me sick by breathing the air you puff into.
NO.
I actually think that if smoking isn’t banned entirely, then there should be some indoor places for smokers where they only damage their own lungs and not everyone else’s.
Since NYC basically banned smoking indoors, it’s been much pleasanter going to bars and such, but I can’t walk down the street or through certain outdoor doorways near my place of work without choking to death. Whenever I go out to get a breath of fresh air I’m always finding msyelf stuck behind some walking chimney.
Smoking is a disgusting habit and I get annoyed when I’m forced to breathe in someone’s second hand smoke. I’d like to keep my lungs nice and pink, thank you very much.
Smokers have been unfair to the nonsmokers for years.
My father smokes. I’ve been choked by second hand smoke my entire life.
His habit shouldn’t be mine, too.
Posted 4/28/2007 12:23 PM by magick_peanut
Well said!
We’ve gone past the place where we’re being unfair to smokers.
People want laws past that are convenient for them, regardless of whether they take away people’s rights or not. People are supposed to be allowed to smoke in bars in Ohio because of recent legislation. Forget the rights of the property owner, I may want go to that bar with my child sometime and don’t want them to have to put up with the secondhand smoke that will most certainly kill them. If you don’t want to put up with secondhand smoke in a private establishment, don’t go.
I think we passed the threshold of “unfair” a long time ago.
we’re saving their lives, neh?
Oh yeah, I’m from Ohio so I have to see all this Debunkify crap on TV. Anyone else think we’re being unfair to all taxpayers (in Ohio, at least) by making them pay for commercials against tobacco usage? The fact that the commercials are completely stupid is salt in the wound. They could at least be funny.
How does anti-business advertisements fit into the job description of politicians?
i hate when im around smokers, it smells.. but it does seem overboard to band them from everywhere. I guess the only place they can smoke now is in their own home.
Nope - it’s an offensive, dirty habit….and second hand smoke causes cancer.
Candy
In public places, smoking should be ABSOLUTELY FORBIDDEN. Smoking should be illegal for those under 18. What consenting adults do on private property (businesses, too) is their choice.
haha are you kidding?!
And I agree with squeakysoul..
It sucks when all you want is a nice breath of fresh are and your face gets full of nasty smoke..
COUGH
Yeah. Sometimes you have to support a person’s right to do something even though you don’t agree with it.
Example: I support Anne Coulter’s right to say whatever she wants, even though I completely disagree with what she says.
Will there ever be a day where we’re not unfair to someone?!
i dont think so. i have just as much a right to not be exposed to smoke as they have the right to smoke.
Smokers have been unfair to the nonsmokers for years.
My father smokes. I’ve been choked by second hand smoke my entire life.
His habit shouldn’t be mine, too.
Posted 4/28/2007 12:23 PM by magick_peanut
Totally agree. My father hasn’yt smoked, haven’t been around it MUCH…but still…its ew.
well..idk..i dont think so…i mean, if i really want to smoke that bad then u need to do it in your own home!..people that dont smoke do it for a reason.they dont need 2nd hand either!!
Absolutely not.
Smokers have been unfair to us for decades
I agree that smokers have been unfair to nonsmokers since smoking was invented. I hate going to a bar as a nonsmoker, and always coming home smelling like an ashtray regardless of how long I stayed. Why should my hair and clothes have to smell because of someone else’s bad habit? I love the bars in DC because smoking is banned.
I’m not going to tell anyone to quit a dirty habit; I’ve got myself to work on… but when it affects me, yeah, it’s fucking annoying. Nonsmokers can get lung cancer from second hand smoke, and it’s not a rarity. Smokers could have a bit more consideration. I don’t see why it’s such a big deal for them to step outside. The inconvenience of having to walk outside is much smaller than the inconvenience to everyone else inside subjected to breathing it in.
Since NYC basically banned smoking indoors, it’s been much pleasanter going to bars and such, but I can’t walk down the street or through certain outdoor doorways near my place of work without choking to death. Whenever I go out to get a breath of fresh air I’m always finding msyelf stuck behind some walking chimney.
Smoking is a disgusting habit and I get annoyed when I’m forced to breathe in someone’s second hand smoke. I’d like to keep my lungs nice and pink, thank you very much.
Posted 4/28/2007 12:49 PM by squeakysoul
But do you see how this is different?
A) Outside, usually one can hang back a bit or walk faster than the smoker, or if the smoker is stationary, walk away from him/her. Rare is the case when one is literally “stuck” near a person outdoors. It’s not like restaurants or office cubicles where you’re sitting there and can’t move.
B) It’s not enclosed. Unless it’s a particularly stuffy spot, the smoke doesn’t have a chance to sit and accumulate and build up like it does indoors. You’re getting less of it when you pass a “walking chimney.”
I know what you’re talking about–at the university where I work, there are little clouds of nicotine smoke that loom near the entrance to each lecture hall, where students sit and speed-puff a cig before their next class starts. But I hold my breath, walk through it, and in two strides I’m through. No big deal. No worse than passing a smelly homeless dude on the subway. And nowhere near as bad as it was in restaurants in the 80s.
I’m not sure…
I have horrible allergies to cigarette smoke… My throat swells and I have trouble breathing. I get migraine-like headaches that last for over 24 hours, and I cough.
So when that happens I do wish it was illegal…
I don’t think so.
I know what you’re talking about–at the university where I work, there are little clouds of nicotine smoke that loom near the entrance to each lecture hall, where students sit and speed-puff a cig before their next class starts. But I hold my breath, walk through it, and in two strides I’m through. No big deal. No worse than passing a smelly homeless dude on the subway. And nowhere near as bad as it was in restaurants in the 80s.
Posted 4/28/2007 1:35 PM by ChrisRusso
I remember when I was a kid, and restaurants used to have ashtrays on the tables… I used to play with the butts. Not relevant, but you reminded me of the memory.
I agree that the smoking problem is better controlled outdoors. Actually I think banning smoking entirely is something that would backfire… I think NYC handles it best by banning smoking in all indoor places. Although sometimes, you might sometimes find yourself walking for about a block before you can breathe in again, and I don’t know about you but I can’t hold my breath that long. Smelly homeless guys are malodorous, but at least that stench isn’t dangerous for my lungs.
More like unfair to non-smokers.
Smoking harms others as well, so restricting them is being safe for everyone.
I like this response someone said:
“Smokers have been unfair to the nonsmokers for years.
My father smokes. I’ve been choked by second hand smoke my entire life.
His habit shouldn’t be mine, too.”
its not unfair. they may not care if they die from lung cancer but some of the rest of us might…
Well they are starting to ban smoking in private clubs,homes, parks, entire cities have banned smoking outdoors, so yes they have gone to far.
I would list some more harmful lifestyles that are being held up as good and normal, and are treated as god given rights. But i would just start a fight that i am not planing on being around to finish
if they want to commit suicide via lung cancer who are we to stop them? we passed unfair to smokers about 50 laws agao
No, they are jeopardizing other people health. Second hand smoker are worser than the actual smoker. How would you guys like if I spread toxin into the air while you inhale it playing golf? Hey, I have rights to kill myself while jeopardizing your health in the same process. Think about it, is that fair to Nonsmokers?
Funny how a girl’s compliant about her father, is being held up as a great comment on the subject of these public laws. Shows you were the nanny state is going.
“Second hand smoker are worse than the actual smoker”
Does anyone honestly believe that?
Possibly.
Then again, smoking is nasty and disgusting and unhealthy for you and those around you.
Yes. I’m not a smoker. I hate smoke, but we are passing laws that restrict peoples freedom unfairly. I private business should have a choice if they want smokers to occupy their establishment. We are infringing more on privacy rights. I read outside the Starbucks. I hate that I have to take in some 2nd hand smoke at times, but I remind myself. That is the smell of freedom that they may also lose soon. If I don’t want to smell smoke I go inside. If I want to have a coffee, free from 2nd hand smoke and be outside then I better go to a coffee shop that “freely” has a smoke free porch. It’s about choice people. We are slowly erroding that daily.
no! NEVER!
just kidding. we should pass laws that pertain to the issue of possible second-hand smoking.
And if anyone is interested I gave up smoking 5 years ago. I hate the smell as much as anyone does now
Certainly non-smokers have the right to untainted air, and since the natural default condition of humanity is that it doesn’t smoke, the first facility in any public place should be untainted air, to preserve non-smokers rights.
And when a club spends thousands of dollars on setting up a separate, ventilated smoking room, which smokers have to pay a cover charge to enter, to spend their entertainment cash as they please, and where smoking bar staff prefer to work, that’s their business and no one elses.
But not in Toronto, where it was decided that the owner’s and customer’s rights would injure the staff. One such that I used to frequent is now deserted, the owner’s money wasted. And the smoking staff who used to work there, whose rights had to be protected? Why, working in the non-smoking section of course, and occasionally going out onto the sidewalk for a ciggy.
However, out of stupidity, comedy often comes. A hilarious result of Toronto City Council’s decision is that at some of Toronto’s famous strip clubs and lap-dance bars, the girls now pour out onto the sidewalk when they want to take a smoke break. As it’s too tedious to get dressed in the summer months….
I jest you not. If you’re ever in Toronto on a warm evening, take a drive past the notorious Philmore’s. More near-naked flesh sashaying up and down the sidewalk than there is on Ipenema beach.
I don’t think so. We’re still allowing them to get married, although people who are gay cannot. I find that ridiculous. People argue that homosexuals shouldn’t be allowed to marry because they aren’t born that way (often the reasoning that they can allow interracial marriage now, they saw their past mistakes, but why they don’t want gay people to get married. Also, it has not been proven whether or not people become, rather than are born, gay.) Smoking is a choice. By all logic they shouldn’t be allowed to get married either.
I know I’ve totally related this to something else now, but why should smokers, when smoking (and the second-hand smoke and the byproducts) is now the number two cause of preventable deaths in America, be allowed to have more rights than homosexuals? (To my knowledge, few studies have been done on the fatality risk of being gay, or being around gay people.) True, gay people can’t become “straight” in in some places like smokers can refrain from smoking, but there are still places where they hide their sexuality and are the subjects of comments if they do display it.
I like how the post was about smoking and I turned my comment into a short compare and contrast about smoking and homosexuals.
Oh yeah, some close-minded (and prejudiced) people may be disgusted by gay people (I’m not talking PDA, most of us don’t seem to be big fans of it between anyone) but some of us have actual allergic reactions to smoke and some people can actually suffer asthma attacks.
No. When smokers inhale every single wisp of that cigarette without exhaling, then they can smoke anywhere they want.
Since I now have a job in a nonsmoking place of business, I’ve thrown away my asthma medicine. Unfair to them? They were unfair to me for a lot of years.
its a personal choice, so yes
yeah it’s your personal choice to smoke…but other people should have to deal with it…
i hate walking around campus and walking into the smoke cloud. it’s lame.
no way
Nope. I wouldn’t bat an eyelash at voting for a ban on cigaretter production either.
No, they’re not. You have to be fair to nonsmokers, too.
I smoke, but I like having to go outside to do it. It makes it seem special, and I smoke fewer cigs that way too.
No, I think it’s more of we’re finally becoming more aware of the dangers of smoking and second hand smoke and people are actually trying to do something about it.
If they had any backbone, they’d just ban it straight out. They just want want all the money they get from the tobacco companies.
Or maybe I know nothing about this issue and should just shut up. Somehow, that seems just as likely.
No.
NO WAY!! Nonsmokers deserve fresh air! My uncle smokes ALOT and I HATE riding in the car with him and, being an asthmatic, is terrible for my health, not to mention his own.
Also, my grandpa used to smoke and it took him a month in the hospital to get him to quit.
Also, it causes at least a hundred fires a year, although most are small, it’s still bad.
Smoking isn’t THAT bad for you
Yes. Smokers should be allowed to drive down the street smoking with all of their windows up while their babies are safely strapped in their carseats. They should also be allowed to fill crowded restaurants with smoke while my baby is there.
To me, having a smoking section in a restaurant is like having a peeing section in a pool. Neanerbeaner Hilarious…I love it!!!
To answer your question: NO, especially indoor public places.
Smoking is more addictive than either alcohol or marajuana. It is also more lethal.
No. Smokers have a right to wreck up their own lungs, but no one else’s. I don’t care if other people smoke in general, but I don’t want them to smoke around me. Flip through some of my recent blogs and learn about my m-i-l’s lung cancer. After you go through something like that, things are different. She is having half of her left lung removed on Wednesday. From smoking.
Yup, I smoke
They are pretty unfair. Huge tax on smokes, making them $20 a pack. I don’t know, but if you had to smoke one a day or something, that’s a huge drain on money. It’s true though that it’s an annoyance (I hate the smoke) and not healthy. But you can’t ban smoking. They banned alcohol with an amendment to the Constitution and then had to repeal it with another amendment because it was so unpopular. It’s fine how things are. It’s strongly discouraged. There are anti-smoking rallies at schools as there are anti-drug rallies. Huge prices. That’s good enough, I say. If they banned it, and took it all away saying it was for their benefit, the government would be called Communist.
And banning it in front of office buildings and outside doors? Don’t you dare. That is insanely unfair. Smokers are almost tortured by their habit. They wake up in cold sweats at night because they need another one. Don’t drive them insane, they are people too
yes. it’s not your right to restrict the rights of others.
No. Smoking kills. Not only the smoker, but everyone who’s forced to be around the smoker. It’s only unfair to allow them to smoke around others.
Unfair? Please, smokers are practically killing themselves so excuse us if we want to limit where they can continue to kill themselves.
Yes; them and serial killers alike.
Unfair? Please, smokers are practically killing themselves so excuse us if we want to limit where they can continue to kill themselves.
Posted 4/28/2007 4:00 PM by tabasco_gurl
“No fat people in malls, they’re killing themselves with their unhealthy lifestyle”?
Unfair? They are inconsiderate to non-smokers, so no.
I’m okay if you ban the shit out of smiking but when you’re talking about a bar or park or club…you’ve gone too far. That’s one of the reasons I enjoy Vegas when I go. Not that I’m an everyday smoker, but damn, it feels good to have that freedom.
I bet that most people saying “yes” are smokers.
As for the ‘banning fat people from malls’ their fat doesn’t affect others like smoking.
And J_Sizzle_REBORN is it right for smokers to give us second hand smoke?
And give them a break because they wake up in cold sweat cuz they need another one, that’s their own fault for STARTING IN THE FIRST PLACE!!!!!
Ah, what?
Second hand smoke is just as dangerous as smoking a cigarette.
Now that I’ve convinced my Mom to quit smoking, I don’t plan on inhaling anymore of that rancid stuff.
C’mon people. Keep the smokers away from me. Pass more laws.
No. And I’m a smoker. I don’t mind smoking outside only. My mother is allergic to cigarette smoke, so I make it a habit to always smoke far away from people when I do so. It’s a bad habit and a personal choice, and no one else should have to be affected by the ramifications of my choices.
C’mon people, not ALL smokers are assholes. Jesus. Some of us are considerate of non-smokers.
“If they banned it, and took it all away saying it was for their benefit, the government would be called Communist”
*sigh*
What’s so wrong with having a more socialist (than capitalist) government? It’s been proven to work in other places, why not here?… (In practice, not just in theory.)
If people weren’t such dullards around here things might improve…
49,000 Americans die of second-hand smoke every year. Most people would agree that is not “okay” by any means. Many state legislatures certainly agree. Virginia and countless other states are working to get smoking in public places banned. They want smoking banned in restaurants or bars of any kind, and even outside of local restaurants and coffee houses. Some would say they are going “above and beyond” the necessary measures to help reduce the number of people affected by second-hand smoke. In my opinion, they are going too far. What happens to the bar and restaurant owners? They lose business. I mean, let’s face it; people want to sit down after hard weeks work, have a drink and be able to smoke if they want to. It just ruins the whole atmosphere of things if you take that away from them, and it diminishes the appeal of the bar. That isn’t fair to the bar owners. And what about freedom? Agreed, people should have the freedom to enjoy themselves in a smoke-free family restaurant, but I also firmly believe that smokers should have the freedom to step outside for a cigarette, and enjoy smoking in their favorite bar.
300, 000 Americans die every year from obesity. But do they serve us healthier lunches in school? No. Do they ban fast food restaurants? No, that would be against our rights. Just because something may be harmful to some, doesn’t mean that you can take it away from those who don’t abuse it. Of course, those affected by second-hand smoke have not chosen to be around it. But people do chose whether or not to attend a bar, and if they are worried about second-hand smoke, they can chose not to go, or to come only once in a while. States have already restricted smoking in most buildings, and on school grounds. That is a step in the right direction. They may even restrict smoking in family restaurants. Why not? It is a family restaurant, after all. But no smoking in a bar? No smoking outside? They sell the cigarettes, and expect buyers to sit at their houses and smoke? I hope I’m not the only one who realizes how ludicrous this sounds. There is no question about it, second-hand smoke is a problem. It is killing people. So while the state can make restrictions, and try and keep our community safe, I think it is only right that we be fair to both parties here.
yessir!
We are being unfair to private businesses. They should be allowed to decided for themselves how smoking should be treated in their own walls.
i’m sick of holding my breath when i pass smokers, they should be kept in their houses when they smoke, i dont want to be exposed to nicoten and stuff.
second hand smoke is more deadly.
people rage against smokers (I am not one) and then say nothing about companies dumping thousands of pounds of toxic waste into water. They mention nothing about industries sending tons of pollutants into the air. The ice caps are melting we all know that global warming is occurring and we focus on people with a cigarette? I don’t like smoke either but if we are going to crack down or apply standards shouldn’t industry and companies be held to the same level of responsibility we hold individuals?…
I don’t think it’s fair for the state to regulate what private business owners (bars and restaurants) can or can not do. I mean, they allow strip clubs, nude dancers, drinking etc but you can’t have a cigarettee when you’re inside? Sounds a little bit silly to me. I can understand prohibiting it inside of places like hospitals or places where sick people go to get treatment, but not a bar or a restauraunt. In fact, some of the hospitals where I live are prohibiting it even OUTSIDE, if you are on hospital grounds period you are not allowed to smoke.
I am a non smoker currently (although a former smoker). If smoking bothers you so much, go to places that prohibit smoking. Or even impose laws such as if your business allows smoking, you have to get x amount of air filters for x cubic feet of space or something like that. But don’t outlaw it.
yes
I believe smoking should be banned in public places. I have no problem with people who smoke in their own homes, but when you endanger the health of others, fairness hardly matters. (My opinion might have been different a month ago, but I was recently in a restaurant where there was no separate non-smoking section, and I had a really bad reaction to the second-hand smoke. I hold nothing (or very little?) against smokers, but it’s a nasty habit. Nearly killed one grandparent, played a part in killing another.)
I pretty much totally agree with ChrisRusso on everythings hes said so far.
I have the inalienable right to live, you do not have the inalienable right to kill yourself.
“If they banned it, and took it all away saying it was for their benefit, the government would be called Communist”
*sigh*
What’s so wrong with having a more socialist (than capitalist) government? It’s been proven to work in other places, why not here?… (In practice, not just in theory.)
If people weren’t such dullards around here things might improve…
Posted 4/28/2007 4:26 PM by Sesslerite
I don’t understand it either, but most people say “Communist = bad”, so I just wanted them to stick to their way of thinking
I agree with ChrisRusso.
They should be allowed to smoke as long as they’re not hurting anyone else with second-hand smoke. Unfortunately there aren’t too many instances where that can take place. It might be unfair, but… We can’t allow smokers to trample the American’s right to Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Shortening someone else’s life just so you can have your nicotene… That’s a moral issue and one that doesn’t really have to be addressed here. Basically… no… in the long run it isn’t unfair.
I like to blow my smoke in these peoples’ faces. It makes me laugh. Hardly anyone enforces the smoking laws, outside at least, so I treat it more like a suggestion than a rule. Why? Because I hate you all.
I can’t stand smoke. There are signs at school like in the patio area (many actually) but they are all ignored by smokers. They just puff up right there! I hate that when I’m walk out of the building, going to a class, or even when I am entering the school after walking up a bunch of stairs and am out of breath, that I am forced to inhale other people’s cigarette smoke. If you want to smoke, fine, but please try to smoke in a area that isn’t full of people. It is so inconsiderate. Non-smokers have the right to breath clean fresh air.
All I know is that my boyfriend gets rather upset and twitchy when he needs a smoke and has to stand 25ft away from the entrance of any public building, or something like that.
Don’t tell him though, but I think it’s perfectly alright. I dislike smoking so much, and smokers have been unfair to non-smokers for a long time.
ummm…yes, and I don’t smoke. Whether a restaurant, bar, cafe etc allows smoking or not is the owner’s decision, NOT the government’s. And if you have a problem with their decision then don’t do business with them. It’s that simple, sheesh.
You know, everybody’s saying how it’s great, and it’s the smokers who are being unfair, and we shouldn’t have to put up with it blah blah blah…
Just wait until some law passes that targets you.
No. If they want to self destruct that is their right. But it is not their right to make me inhale stuff I don’t want to.
What in the WORLD! HAHAHAHAHAHA. I mean smoking is bad but how about we just stop making cigarrettes. I mean I hate smoking but I don’t think that we should have any say in others decisions. If someone is smoking walk around them you lazy asses. Plus um have you thought of all the shit you breathe in DAILY just in the air around you? Who knows what the heck is in that. Stop taking away freedom :[
yes. even though i quit i still find the laws unfair.
do you think that if they made a law to make a minimum jean size of like a 5 that they would be unfair to anorexics? apparently people would say “no” because its “for their health”
bullshit.
if you don’t like the second hand, do something about it. don’t bitch.
if your parents did it, don’t judge all smokers. i personally NEVER smoked around my non smoker friends. and they never asked me to stop. its a respect issue that all non smokers just don’t have these days >_>
having to walk through their smoke and hold my breath so i don’t die is unfair to me
*cough* *cough* *hack* *cough* …NO!
Are you kidding? I LOVE second-hand smoke…GAAAG! -throws up-
NO WE ARE NOT BEING UNFAIR TO SMOKERS, we simply trying to make our society healthier
As a former smoker…I think the laws are a good thing. My tale of woe and sorrow started when I was 8 years old. It has taken me 20 years to quit. I’ve had many unsuccessful attempts I think that there are more places that I can go now without the worry of smokers tempting me back. I think it is a great thing.
Of course, smokers feel put upon but that is only because they can’t see how it is affecting those around them. The really don’t WANT to believe that what they are doing is also harmful to other people.
Nope – it’s not unfair to tell them they don’t have the right to give the rest of us lung cancer. If they want to ruin their bodies they can do it in the privacy of their own homes or some place where my kids and I don’t have to breathe it.
YES! Let them have lung cancer…it is there choice!
Smokers should be given a 51st state, and move there! LOL
Personally, I like the smoking laws here in NY. I went south recently and got asked in a restaurant “Smoking or Non-Smoking.” I had totally forgot that other places dont take it as seriously. But I prefer health. To me, having a smoking section in a restaurant is like having a peeing section in a pool.
Posted 4/28/2007 12:31 PM by Neanerbeaner
haha touche!
No matter what, smokers are being “unfair” to non-smokers. If they can prove that there is no such thing as passive smoke…then well…what can I say? As such, there is NO WAY they we can avoid their passive smoke, so…no, we are definitely NOT being unfair to smokers.
Apparently in QLD, Australia (I think) they’ve banned smoking in cars that have underaged passengers. I wish they could ban smoking altogether…highly unlikely of course.
no~ we aint unfair to them.
they want to smoke. they get lung cancer. why should others who dont smoke also have to suffer the same consequence?
No, we are just being kinder to people who dont want to die earlier then they should.
Everyone has an opinion, bottom line is smokers have just as much right to smoke as overweight people have the right to eat cheeseburgers. And before any of you tree huggers say that’s not the same, stop and think before you say something stupid. I smoke and If i want to kill my self from it then so be it. The 300 lb lady who is sucking down chili dogs and burgers is prob gonna die from high colestiral or heart failure but no one is infringing on her right to do it. And for those non smokers who say I have the right to not have to smell it, fine that’s your right, but to say someone can’t do it in designated places, or for bars and restaurants to not even be able to give that option then that’s out of hand. Prohibition didn’t work and if they banned cig’s then that would end up the same way. Plus some of the biggest contributors to politicians in Washington are cigarette companies. Bottom line lets worry about something else, that might be slightly more important than the cig’s I smoke, like maybe deciding on when our boys are gonna come home from Iraq or what to do about the gas issues.
No! Smoking is bad for you and I absolutely abhor the smell of cigs. >=l
hell yeah
i cant smoke inside at all anymore… and when its snowing outside… uhm… thats cold and cruel…
I lost 3 family members so far to smoking. I don’t want it around me, but I still think if people want to light up in public places(unless it’s around children) they should be allowed to. I won’t date a smoker anymore(if I can help it) I tried it twice, and it just wasn’t working for me. I know there are many non smoking men out there, if I decide I feel like dating again,lol.
we shouldn’t ban it outright, at least not legally. the only way to get rid of smoking is to make is sooo socially unacceptable that no one would be caught dead doing it. which means banning it from social settings.
before someone gets worked up about that, i’m not in favor of banning smokers in public venues, just smoking.
No.
The Smokers are being unfair to the people who try to breath. My dad will seriously die if he inhales too much smoke. He has serious Asthma and Allergies. He is constantly sick from the flowers now, and the poeple who are trying to get lung cancer aren’t really trying to help with the cause of healthy lungs to others.
Nah, really it’s unfair for smokers to smoke around nonsmokers.
We all know cigarettes are full of toxic chemicals, and that you can suffer the health consequences of them from second hand smoke. It’s only rational that we keep smoking banned in enclosed public places. I think it’s great.
Yeah, but I suppose they should try to quit even if I think we’re being unfair to ‘em. If they want to have a bad habit, let them, but don’t force them to do anything. They should have the freedom to do something bad to themselves.
Yah they did try to pass A lot off those laws but if they would pass thouse laws and try to band smokings then just think all the other bad habits they could pick up(dinking,crack co-cane,green,lace,wite rabbitand others.)so I say just leave them alone. and yes I have one or five ppl who smoke around me I live wit one. Id rather have him smoke a cig than something eles in front of his one year lod son. so what do say.
It is unfair.
And you don’t have to be “choked by second hand smoke”. Just avoid the smoker. This is his country too, so in public property he should be able to smoke wherever he wants.
For those of you who say it’s not fair to have to breathe in 2nd hand smoke, I say it’s not fair to have to breathe in the exhaust from your cars either.
Chris Russo is right.
(BTW, I’m not a smoker.)
Smokers are being unfair to thierselves. They are taking moments off of their life for each smoky treat they light up. They are giving theirselves dirty teeth and smelly hands. So, no!
i’m a smoker, and no, I don’t think it’s unfair. it IS a terrible habit and one that should be cut down on. Most people start to be rebellious (as I did) and perhaps more laws can help cut it down. Perhaps not. As happens with most laws, people will break them. It’d be nice if we could all get along for once…
> Perhaps, however the detrimental effects of tobacco cannot be ignored and so adieu to the trend of smoke where you feel and bah humbug on second-hand smoke…. Trends of all sorts have come and gone, and there’s another for the history books….
Peace
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