March 24, 2011
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Does It Bother You that Gays Can’t Marry?
I was reading a post where a woman stated that it bothered her that gays could not marry. Here is the link: Link
Now, I am not talking about whether you are for or against marriage. I am curious if it bothers you that gays can’t marry. It is interesting that most of xanga appears to be in favor of gay marriage. But every time it is put to the vote of people, the people vote against gay marriage.
Does it bother you that gays can’t marry?
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yes it does bother me.
Not exactly that they cant get married, but that someones religious views can affect what I can and cannot do, especially when it hurts no one.
Yes.
i just don’t like christians. so anything that disgusts them i naturally approve, such as gay marriage.
YES.
I think it is not a good thing that we are changing the definition of marriage. Once we change one aspect of marriage, it opens up every possible alternative family style to petition for legal recognition.
I think anyone should be able to marry and I’m a religious person,too
It does bother me quite a bit, considering that the only reasons for not allowing it are religious.
YESSS. It bothers me greatly. It’s actually a logical conundrum that I can’t seem to wrap my head around.
It certainly does.
I can’t help but think that years down the line, we will look at homophobia and not allowing them to marry as ridiculous, just as we look at racism and segregation as ridiculous today.
No.
Whether it bothers any of us is irrelevant. The lord is clear that it bothers him. Read your Bible people.
It does bother me.
But gays are allowed to marry. They want to change what marriage is and then claim discrimination. However, I see no reason why it is any business of the government who marries whom, gay straight or polygamy.
Ja.
Yes, it does. Some of my closest friends are gay and it’s sad how they would mention that when they want to get married, they would need to go to another state to get married.
@lonelywanderer2 - Just because we open one realm of possible marriage does not mean we will open all realms. I understand your point, but just because we will allow two gay people to get married doesn’t mean people will petition to marry their pets due to the strict definition of consent. An animal is not able to display consent on the same level as humans. There are already more states allowing marriage between cousins than those who allow gay marriage. Source: http://www.ncsl.org/default.aspx?tabid=4266. If two people love each other and openly consent to get married, they should be allowed to.
@mtngirlsouth - actually, we want the same tax breaks and other protections that married couples are given, retard.
Yes, it bothers me. It bothers me a hell of a lot.
Not as much as people’s opposition to gay marriage.
The arguments usually ranage from the ludicrous to the selfish.
It bothers me because I want to see more roMANce in the streets! MOAR MAN-LOVE!
Yes, it bothers me.
People are very selective in enforcing what their God said was an abomination. People eat shellfish, mix cloth, shave, and sow fields with two different seeds yet the world keeps spinning.
@mtngirlsouth - ”But gays are allowed to marry. They want to change what marriage is and then claim discrimination.”
Before Loving v. Virginia Blacks could marry too, as long as it were to individuals of similar skin-tone.
Yes, it bothers me that two people who love each other can’t get married because of religious and social bigotry and that two people who hate one another have the right to be married.
Yes, it does bother me. It bother me a whole fucking lot.
@mtngirlsouth – No, they can’t. I agree that religious marriage should not be mandated by the government, but gays do not have access to legal, civil, 100% secular marriage. And repeated attempts to gain these rights-without any attempt to force churches to marry gay people-have been met with opposition by evangelical Christians and conservatives.
They don’t want to be married in religious institutions that hate them (at least, some don’t), they want the legal benefits which are currently denied to them.
Yes, it does.
not really but then again i don’t even wanna get married. so go figure.
@laytexduckie - So what if THREE people love each other and want to get married? Seven? Younger people? Who decides what factors are changes that shouldn’t be allowed? Check out my post on this if you are interested, and let me know your thoughts.
Should Alternative Family Structures Be Legally Recognized?
No. I’m not gay, and marriage is relatively pointless. If gays are allowed to marry, who’s to say people won’t just start getting married to add each other to their health insurance etc.. not that straight people don’t do this anyway… but seriously.
@Celestial_Teapot - Before governments took it over, marriage was a religious institution sanctioned and performed by the church. Why should government have ANY say in it now? CT, we have had this discussion before.
@lonelywanderer2 - Ugh. Slippery slope arguments ALWAYS happen during gay marriage arguments. It’s called a logical fallacy for a reason.
It bothers me that “gay” means white and male. A lot of things bother me.
A post that does nothing to address the real issues is one of them.
Yes it does
no
Nope it doesn’t. They can chose to get married or not at their will.
It does bother me. I think gays should be allowed to be as miserable as all the straight people.
I think the reason it always fails in the polls is because there’s not enough awareness for those people who are for it and people against it are much more informed…
Yeah, it does. One of my very best friends is gay and I want her to be able to get married like the rest of us without having to go to another state or Canada or find some other sort of crazy loophole.
It does.
it bothers me. alot actually. when did marriage stop being about genuine love. whether between a man and a woman, a man and a man, or a woman and woman. and start being about everything else. and i mean. its ok for people to be divorced and remarried twenty times. its ok for people to be married for a few days and then decide it was a mistake. its ok for people to be married but cheat and be having sex with everyone. but its not ok for two people of the same sex to be married? i see sooo much wrong with that. so yes. it bothers me.
@lonelywanderer2 - Once we change one aspect of marriage, it opens up every possible alternative family style to petition for legal recognition.
(1) Didn’t happen after Loving v. Virginia after legal standards were expanded to include all races.
(2) Doesn’t happen abroad where same-sex marriage has been legal for as long as a decade.
(3) Also, in the United States, where a number of states already recognize same sex marriage.
I think that’s also what they said about blacks voting. What next, women?
Yes.
@andiote - If THAT were actually the truth, you would be petitioning for THOSE things. And it would also include heterosexuals who live together without being married, and even people who live together and are totally platonic. What does marriage have to do with those things? Does one suddenly become more expensive and therefore in more need of a tax break because of marriage? Think about what you are saying and how you look to those of us capable of thought before you presume to call us “retard”. You need a better package for your lies.
Civil unions, si. Matrimony, no.
@Celestial_Teapot - What about the Mormons, who still quietly practice polygamy in many places, and have actually had their communities raided, and kids taken out of their homes? Why is their family style less valid?
I find it bothersome that homosexuals are not able to be recognized as a union, especially when it comes to medical and legal issues.
How about this: the government provides civil unions to anyone who wishes to be legally bound to another? Since marriage was technically a religious institution that the government hijacked, people should go to the church to get married, and go to the government for a civil union. Gay or straight, it would keep things equal (here begins the straight uproar).
It bothers me a lot. My baby brother is gay and is VERY happy with his current partner. I want them to be together and have a “normal” life. Just like anyone else. Gay or straight. Marriage should be a right.
Yes. Gays should be allowed to marry.
Yup, it bothers me. I mean, we let prostitutes, drug addicts, felons, and corrupt politicians marry and last I checked those things WERE true lifestyle choices unlike being gay.
Yes, it bothers me. I want to get married someday.
Few things bother me more, actually. I try to be tolerant of religious peoples’ beliefs, but when their beliefs start to affect legal issues, I get seriously pissed off. It bothers me more now than ever, since one of my best friends just proposed to his boyfriend last night and my state doesn’t recognize gay marriage. They shouldn’t have to wait for the inevitable!
Yesyesyesyesyess
@lonelywanderer2 - What about the Mormons, who still quietly practice polygamy in many places, and have actually had their communities raided, and kids taken out of their homes? Why is their family style less valid?
Okay, reference or cite me examples in states or countries where groups have actively campaigned for polygamy after the legalization of gay marriage.
Your argument wasn’t that present proponents of gay marriage needed refined standards justifying same-sex marriage but not polygamy, but that causitively, there will be a slippery slope after its legal recognition.
@Celestial_Teapot -
UK Sharia judge calls for legal recognition of polygamous …
Muslim immigration is bringing polygamy to Canada. – Canadian …
Utah’s Bigamy Statute and the Right to Privacy and Religious Freedom
First of all, people need to clarify their definitions of marriage. Heterosexual marriage is in deep shit. What makes them think they have the last say on whether gay marriage works?
doesnt bother me cause I live in BC – where gay marriage is legal*
@lonelywanderer2 - Okay, I’ve read the links , but none of the cited instances were triggered by recent recognition of same-sex marriage. It seems as if the efforts are or have been underway regardless of efforts to expand civil rights of gays and lesbians.
If anything, this hows that the two are independent: Fundamentalist Muslims are motivated, Fundamentalist Mormons are active regardless of whether or not we have this debate. All this other stuff shouldn’t hold back discussion of same-sex marriage on its own merits.
@Celestial_Teapot - I am not saying it TRIGGERS it, I am saying it supports the argument.
yep, kind of. it’s not something I’d die for, but something I believe really strongly in. (equality, that is.)
@lonelywanderer2 - How?
Yes it bothers me. Even if I wasn’t gay it would bother me. Civil marriages with all the legal protections of heterosexual civil marriage is all that is being asked for (by the majority). It bothers me that people find it so hard to give us that in a country that isn’t supposed to be run by a national religion.
Also, I haven’t heard of very many times when it was put to people’s vote in recent years besides Prop 8. And the people behind Prop 8 used a lot of scare tactics and other false promotion so I don’t quite take that as evidence the people don’t want gay marriage. I want a fair vote where neither side pulled sly tactics to get their point across, just what people actually believe on their own. But much of the legislation against it is coming from governments at the federal and state levels making decisions without putting it to a public vote. Or at least that’s what I see.
I am kind of indifferent to this. I don’t care either way.
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Yes…
but sometimes I think marriage is an outdated institution in and of itself.
yes. why should i be allowed to marry if others can’t, just because they love the “wrong” sex and i love the “right” sex?
I wanna marry jude law, jeffree star and monica bellucci. I’m quite bothered.
Yes.
It doesn’t bother me that they can’t -marry- because I do not think that the government has the right to redefine marriage. Marriage is an institute of religion, not the state.
Now if they want to get civil unions, sure go for it. I don’t think the government should be handing out marriage certificates…only civil union papers for EVERYONE if unions/marriage must be recognized by the state at all for legal purposes.
But regulating marriage? No, that is not the government’s place at all. So to better answer your question, it bothers me that the government regulates marriage at all, period.
Yes, it does.
im assuming we’re all talking about america here, so yes it does bother me that gay people cant get married, if i didnt have the possability in the futre of marrying my partner because we are the same gender then i dont know what would happen, but im a kiwi and in new zealand its legall for same sex marrages
so send them down this way, i wouldnt mind
People say the God doesnt like gay marriage…So what you’re telling me is that he would rather someone be miserable and live a life that is loveless and frustrating, than let two dudes kiss eachother? Somethings wrong with that. Had God said, hypotheticly, that women will be with women and men with men, And you happened to be as you are now, straight, would you care that you couldnt marry the one you loved?
I like my gay friends far too much to let them get married.
Yes, it bothers me a lot. It’s very arrogant as a straight person to believe that you deserve more rights than a different segment of the population. It’s no votes for women and segregation all over again. This issue will be looked at in the same way as those issues someday. I hope when that day comes the people who were against it will be highly embarrassed.
Well they’ve got civil partnerships, which is essentially the same thing. I guess it would bother me more if I were gay or some of my closest friends were gay. What does bother me is homophobia though. I just don’t get why people hate gays or think their love is wrong.
Yeah, it does bother me.
I love the person that said “I just don’t like Christians so if it bothers them then I approve”. Real mature. I’m no Bible Lover, but spend your whole life doing the opposite of a group and see how great your life turns out. You hate them, but you sure do focus on them a lot. I’m not addressing this to the person, because I feel it would be a waste of my intellect.
Otherwise I don’t know if it bothers me. I think it’s sad. My friends who are gay will never get that final pledge like I may. And I think that’s important just for someone to feel secure.
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My view is that marriage should be between a man and woman – period. Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve
@FallingSafely - I’m sorry but I had to chuckle at your answer.
@MangoWOW - I bet you there are people with precisely the opposite view, ie “that someone’s secular views can dictate what I can and can’t do even when it definitely hurts people”
Meh. I guess the thing is everyone’s all against Christianity these days because Christians have screwed up their image by being assholes.
But this country was built on Christianity and I guess that’s why we/they have to stick to what is biblical when it comes to our laws and stuff.
I guess in all honesty it doesn’t really bother me because it doesn’t affect me, personally.
It bothers me, but mainly on the grounds that straight people can’t get marriage right (I think the statistic is something 50% of marriages in the US end in divorce…), and yet they cast stones at Gays for wanting the right to marry. I say give Gays the opportunity and the right fuck up their marriages like straight people do.
marriage is a religious institution, so it doesn’t bother me that gay people can’t marry because religions have to be consistent with their dogma.
It is impossible for gays to marry. What’s bothersome is people trying to redefine reality and say that gays CAN marry. That’s like saying TheoDan can stand upside down on the ceiling.
Gays can marry just like anyone else can marry. If two people say, “We’re married” then they are married. They can’t get a marriage license from the government, but the government has no authority over marriage and never should have started pretending they did.
What bothers me is marriage being the business of the government.
Yes. To me, the fact that it is even in question in a “free” country is fucking ridiculous.
I go back and forth on the topic, some days it does, some days it doesn’t.
Yes, it bothers me. The only opposition towards gay marriage is religious. If that one person believes that their god doesn’t want them to marry someone of the same sex, then don’t. Your religious beliefs shouldn’t infringe on my right to marry the one I love.
Yeah, it bothers me. It just seems so unfair, and unreasonable.
I think everyone puts too much hype up around Marriage. I think you should have the right to get married. You also should explore your right to NOT get married. WHY do you NEED to be married? Is it really the ONLY way to prove your love: a priest’s blessing, piece of paper and government recognition? Just live your life, people, and SCREW what the goverment, church, neighbors or anyone says about YOUR relationships. I just laugh about this whole Gay marriage debate. WHY is it even any of my business? Or yours?
Dear Dan,
I live in Southern California, and I voted AGAINST Proposition 8 in 2008. It not only bothers me that gays can’t marry, but it REALLY bothers me that gays can’t marry in California, one of the liberalest states in the union..
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Required reading: How I changed my mind about gay marriage, to which I used to be opposed.
@striemmy - Well, I do think that men, being the dogs that they are, should be kept in kennels. But that doesn’t hurt anyone, right?
@MangoWOW - =) Indeed it doesn’t.
@lonelywanderer2 - I don’t understand. Why is that bad?
Yes, it bothers me that they are treated like second-class citizens.
Not at all. I have no reason to care whether they can or cannot get married.
I think they just posted the latest national poll and a majority of people were pro-gay marriage for the first time (only like 54 percent, but hey, a majority is a majority). And that number will only increase as older people die off and younger people come of age.
But anyhow, perhaps it bothers me more that straights can marry than it bothers me that gays can’t. I’m just kidding, but at the same time, marriage is highly overrated and needs to be more inclusive of non-traditional families. Heterosexual monogamous same-age pairs are not the only ones in need of the several hundred benefits bestowed upon married couples.
@WW1972 - it’s easy to say that from a privileged viewpoint but as marriage stands now, just getting that certificate gives you several hundred benefits in America, civil, health, and tax related. To legally obtain these rights without a marriage certificate would cost thousands of dollars that many people cannot afford. For example, marriage entitles your spouse, in many cases, to receive your workplace’s healthcare plan. But if you are not a legal spouse, you have no way to claim those benefits. The more in need you are of any such benefits, the less easy it is to say, “Just screw it all.”
@Kiwigummy - marriage is also a legal institution and therefore the necessary “dogmas” of religion cannot apply to it; see my above comment as well.
Yup! But my partner and I chose not to get legally married in our state. There are financial disadvantages as well as advantages to marriage. If our unions were recognized on a national level, I might change my mind.
Yup, it bothers me.
And how people tend to vote on this issue doesn’t settle anything. There was a time when the majority would vote against interracial marriage (and like gay marriage opponents, they had their favorite bible verses to support their view); it was still troubling unfounded discrimination.
yes it does…a lot
yes.
@ScarletMoth – I’m aware of the legal benefits, and also aware that not everyone shares my viewpoint. I just think that at the end of the day, I don’t need a piece of paper, or tax benefits to ‘justify my love’, so to speak. If we really don’t want the government’s involvement with ‘marriage’, maybe we should look at aboloshing the ‘benefits’ that the government hands out for it too.
For the record, I’m not coming from a priviledged position. I may be married to one man, but cannot be married LEGALLY to two, and I don’t give a rat’s ass about it. I love who I love without the government’s ok or handouts. And somehow, I’m still happy!
Okay heres the deal. What gays really want is civil marriage. They want the same financial and legal privileges that come with a civil marriage given to straight couples. What Christians object to (as well as Muslims, Jews, and other religious groups against homosexuality), isn’t actually a problem. They say that marriage is a sacred institution. Marriage under God is, but marriage under God is not civil marriage. You can have one, or the other, or both. We could make civil marriage legal for gays so that they get all the legal and financial privileges that straight couples do, but that doesn’t make them married under God. I personally believe homosexuality is a sin (for the Bible tells us so), but near as I am aware, God does not condemn legal/civil unions like what we call “civil marriage,” he only condemns gay sexual acts. The sacred institutions of Christian, Muslim, Jewish, Hindu, etc. marriage are separate and distinct from civil marriage. Perhaps we should change the legal wording from marriage to civil union for everyone. This way, everyone can go to the government and get a civil union license, and heterosexual Christian couples can go to their priest and be married under God.
@lonelywanderer2 - and divorce is…… the definition of marriage? how about polygamy? hmm. 50% divorce rate in america, more children have single parents only… what kind of “traditional family” is that bullshit? i thought it was a mom, dad, and 2.5 kids. why is the “traditional family” in america, actually 1 parent and 2 kids? what’s wrong with that picture?
I don’t necessarily believe in marriage for myself, but it does bother me that gay people don’t have the same rights as straight people.
@lonelywanderer2 - That’s the same argument they used to say that opening up marriage to allow interracial marriage would be detrimental to the fabric of society. People who opposed changing the definition of marriage aren’t even trying to come up with original excuses anymore.
@SKANLYN - but your lord is not mine. my bible? what the hell is that? are all households supposed to come with one? i know they come with one in the hotel rooms, haah, those are kinda interesting. it’s like a movie prop.
@jimmyneyugn - My lord is yours, whether or not you accept it. The Bible is incontrovertible proof of that. Sorry if you cannot reconcile that with your sinful sodomite lifestyle.
@Kiwigummy - HAH! Las Vegas, City of Sin.. thousands of marriages are performed every year. ….. sounds like a fantastic oxymoron to me! religious my ass, it’s more about how uncomfortable people are these days. we’re still one of the most racist countries ever.
@blonde_apocalypse - we can say that we’re married, but if you don’t have proof when your other half dies in the hospital and you can’t put them in the will legally as your husband or other half, then there in lies the problem. who gets the dogs, or the children if you’re lucky enough to adopt children? who gets what? it all goes to the family of the deceased instead of who it was supposed to go to, because there are no legal documents that state that the marriage was legal.
@SKANLYN - my buddha is yours too, and he will forgive you for whatever sins you have in your daily life, even if it includes such hateful thoughts. the bible was written hundreds of years after christ was ever around, when did they actually start writing? if the written word has been around for over 2,000 years, why are we mandated to take over 12 years of english to write/read/speak? if the written word has been so well developed in the biblical times, why are we unable to write coherently in today’s modern technology based time? the bible is a fantastic scheme of a few people that are rolling in their graves that are partying it up in heaven, hell and limbo. they think they wrote a fantastic science fiction, of resurrection, the second coming, the virgin mary, and all that las vegas showbiz glitz and glamor, and everyone bought into it thinking it was real, because their wording makes it seem like it was. please.. come find me when the 2nd coming is here. or 3rd or whatever.
@jimmyneyugn - Well I hope you and your obese, slanty-eyed false idol have fun burning in a lake of everlasting fire for all eternity. Before the Lord casts you there, he will show you all the times you had the chance to accept his salvation, including now. You’ll beg for his mercy then but he’ll turn his back and say “I never knew you” and you’ll go on to the second death.
Yes, it absolutely bothers me.
Yes, it very much bothers me that my brother cannot marry his husband legally due to the ignorance and prejudice of other people.
YES. It bothers me a lot.
It bothers me, even though I’m not personally affected by it.
This just seems like a civil rights movement that needs to reach its end much faster than it is. I feel like society is so backward with things like this. We remember the civil rights movement of the 60s, this really isn’t much different.
No, it doesn’t bother me.
no it doesn’t
Yes, it definitely bothers me that they can’t get married.
@jimmyneyugn - I’m not sure what you mean by “can’t put them legally in your will as husband or other half” because your will can name anyone as recipient of your estate (with the exception that biological children cannot be disinherited unless they are specifically mentioned and disinherited). At least for now (until our government gets so far out of bounds that it controls everything about our lives), you can create a contract between yourself and a man, woman or any number of men or women that you share lives, assets, children, dogs however you feel free to share them. You can create living wills, medical powers of attorney, whatever you choose to create to dictate who has power over your life to whatever degree you wish it. Yes, the “Marriage” licenses (ie: the government giving you permission to call yourselves married) is shorthand for all of that, and if your argument is “homosexuals should be treated the same by the government as any other individual,” then you’ll get no argument from me. Clearly the government should not treat one person differently than another based on adult,consensual sexuality, but the initial problem was created when the government decided it had the authority to be involved in marriage to begin with. It was at that point that it all started to go to crap. Personally, I don’t want any kind of paper that gives any government shortcuts for controlling my life and, as for its “permission,” they can keep it. I don’t need it, haven’t asked for it and don’t have any respect for it.
Absofuckinglutely.
@SKANLYN - i hope you’re being facetious. because then it would make that statement hilarious.
yes because what a person does in the bedroom with another adult shouldn’t matter to the public since another person life choice has no effect on your personal life
I don’t like marriage, and I sort of view the gay marriage issue the way that I would view “jews are not allowed to buy peanut butter”. It’s clear discrimination and it should definitely stop… But I’m hardly distraught over it.
its a weird situation, people seem to say “marriage is nothing but a piece of paper, you don’t need a piece of paper to show your love” and then some of those same people are so angry that gays can’t marry.
If its really just a piece of paper then why would it matter?
@raspberryjade - If its really just a piece of paper then why would it matter?
It’s not just a piece of paper– with it comes social recognition and civil rights.
Denial of marriage to any one class– whether they be blacks or Muslim– constitute worse than mere denial of recognition or rights, but an institutionalized discrimination of and animus towards that minority.
It is demeaning and harmful when members of society are told, “Y’all can marry, except group X. They can move out of state or apply for civil unions.”
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nope. If everyone now days believes that “marriage” doesn’t matter and that you don’t need a “paper” to prove marriage (this is all that I ever hear) then it shouldn’t bother gay people either, and they should consider the fact that they are together and ALLOWED to be together in this country is a blessing.
You know what bothers me more? The fact that those who claim defense of marriage because it’s a godly thing, but yet want to throw mans law (government) as the ruling factor on who is allowed to marry. Fuck state marriage, civil unions for EVERYONE!
@raspberryjade - lol, I just commented something similar.
Know what bothers me ever more though? Christians who get in a tizzy about the “sacred” institution of marriage, but HALF of the Christians I know have been divorced two/three times… >_> I don’t really believe that gays should be allowed to marry… but seriously?
No. A lot of people identify as social conservatives in this country, so that’s probably why the vote is like that. Also as people age, they get more conservative.
That picture is going to give me nightmares.
Not really, but I don’t see why it’s a big deal whether or not a gay couple wants to get married. So what if it goes against the bible. Love is love regardless of sex race or color right?
If two people are in love and not related by blood ties, they should be allowed to marry!!
yes it does. in god’s eyes, most christians are still needing to be spoon fed WHO god is anyway! so when it comes to jesus finally answering the question, “what is the greatest thing of all?” he said “LOVE”. he didn’t say anything conditional about it. and no, that doesn’t mean we can marry a cat or a goat. common sense people.
Yes it bothers me, because there is absolutely no logical basis behind not allowing them to marry. If our laws aren’t logical, are any of us really safe here?
I believe gay couples should have the same legal rights as a heterosexual couple, whether it be by legalized marriage or by civil unions. It sometimes astounds me how backwards the US is when it comes to things like this.
Why should it? I don’t think it is a religious vs irreligious issue, as a lot of people have said.
i believe marriage is something that comes from your heart. as far as rights go, i think its very unfair. but it doesn’t bother me personally.
It bothers me that they can’t get married. My best friend is lesbian and I’m from California where people don’t really look twice when someone announces that they’re gay. So, in the US, the biggest majority of voters are the older citizens and while the younger voters could eventually overpower that, they don’t vote as often. I’m definitely guilty of not voting all the time, but when Prop 8 came around I voted for gay marriage being legal. Anyway, older people happen to be against gay marriage for the most part because of how they grew up so, at least in California, gay marriage wasn’t shot down because of lack of support, but more like because most young people didn’t or can’t vote still, but the older people recognize the power in voting and having their voices heard. I think that it will eventually be legal once young people start voting more.
Yes. Very much so.
@SKANLYNÂ - “Well I hope you and your obese, slanty-eyed false idol have fun burning in a lake of everlasting fire for all eternity.”
Wow. Some of you Christians sure are kind.Â
@Just_For_Shits_And_Giggles - It’s God’s rule not mine.
Yes, it bothers me a lot.
@polexperfection - See, what a bunch of people here on xanga (and out in the rest of the world) are failing to say/explain is that gays don’t necessarily want a “marriage.” We can call it a “Steve” if you want. They just want a partnership that gives them all the same rights as a heterosexual union. The problem with civil unions is that they include far less rights than “marriages” do. It’s not that gays are dying to get married in a church (they’d probably start burning as soon as they set foot in that place JK JK JK
), they just want equality.
@SKANLYN - I’m going to remind you that America has religious freedom and I don’t care about what your God says. I just wanted to point you out to the people that say “Christians are all kind and loving. We would never tell anyone that they’re going to hell!”Â
@striemmy - “that someone’s secular views can dictate what I can and can’t do even when it definitely hurts people”Â
That doesn’t exist though.
Yeah, it does bother me.
Yes. I think it’s completely unjust that I could meet Mr. Soobee today and hop on a plane to Vegas tonight and get married but that I have friends who have been together for years who can’t do the same.
@Just_For_Shits_And_Giggles - The Bible lets us all know who’s going to Hell (take a break from the pornography and have a peek at it sometime). It’s up to the rest of us Christians to perform our due diligence and relay the message to the wicked and sinful such as yourself. There could be nothing more “kind and loving” than letting you know you are on the wrong path and if you don’t turn back and accept Christ you’re going to be tortured forever and ever by Satan and his devils.
@SKANLYNÂ - I’ve read the bible thank you very much. It wasn’t the best fiction I ever read but it was alright.Â
@Just_For_Shits_And_Giggles - That is certainly a matter of your opinion. I’m sure that within the sphere of the debate on gay marriage alone there are droves of people of that precise mindset. The future impact of okaying gay marriage is uncharted territory. We can assume that no harm will come of it but we can’t know for certain how it will uniquely affect our society. It may very well end up hurting people and IS in fact the end result of a secular view.
@Just_For_Shits_And_Giggles - I’m sorry you continue to reject Christ but I’ve done my part. Make no mistake about it though, if you should suddenly die tonight you will go to Hell. Salvation is free my friend. I’d consider taking it if I were you.
Separation of Church and State.
Yes it bothers me.
It bothers me anytime someone is treated poorly, unfairly, or deprived due to the body, heart, and soul they were born with.
Frankly, it feels surreal when I really really think about the fact that it’s so disputed. The idea that I get to live my life how I want to and marry who I want to because I’m straight, but my friends who are gay can’t do the same is terribly sad.
You are SO unoriginal. Everyone should be upset that gay marriage is illegal, because ALL of our rights are in jeopardy. This is simply precedent.
it bothers me that married people have rights non-married couples do not.
Not in the slightest.
If you ask me, religion is the only factor affecting most of these decisions. It bothers me, i think everyone can love who they want.
The question isn’t whether gays can or cannot marry (they can be “wed” in front of their friends, etc), it’s whether they get the same rights and privileges that straight couples get when they marry. Rights and privileges such as the tax breaks/benefits, the ability to visit your spouse when they are in the hospital (can you imagine being turned away from the hospital bed of your spouse, simply because the government doesn’t recognize your union?). Christians can oppose gay marriage all they want, and for certain, there will NEVER be a gay marriage in a place of worship, but this is a question of what is legally right.. And that is what needs to be determined, the legality of two men, or two women marrying. In my opinion, there should be no problem, and yes.. it bothers me that it is illegal.
Yes, it bothers me. Considering I am a bisexual.
It doesn’t bother me. I mean, I believe marriage is more of a spiritual thing anyway, so I don’t think homosexual marriage would even really be marriage, even if it were legal.
it doesnt bother me at all.. but the whole marriage thing and why the church and juducial system has to get involved is out-dated anyhow.. if you wanna be with someone – be with them..
I’m very much pro-gay marriage and I’m very much into gay rights and all of that. I’ve had tons of gay friends over the years, and homosexuality is just normal to me. It’s as normal as heterosexuality for me. I’m open-minded and frankly don’t give a shit about people’s sexual orientations, religions, ethnicities, etc. because I focus more on their personalities. I focus on WHO they are – not WHAT they are.
However, I don’t really get all bent out of shape about these sorts of issues for some reason. I just lack passion. I’m not very passionate about any issues. I have very strong opinions, but I don’t personally feel upset or angry. I don’t know why.
Not really.
Yes it bothers me that gays cannot marry. It bothers me that we straight people make an absolute mockery of marriage with all these dating shows and celebrities being married 55 hours and whatnot and gays would destroy the saintity of marriage? Fucking Henry the 8th made up a whole new denomination of a religion just so he could get out of his marriage, how friggin saintly is marriage? Not very!
@GodlessLiberal - LMAO!!!!
I’ve married several “gay” couples. What bother’s me is that marriage (Gay straight polygamous) is dictated by the government at all.
Maybe a better word to use above would be: “regulated” by the government at all!
@your_paper_heart - Everyone is bi-sexual. Just that most people don’t want to admit it.
@Just_For_Shits_And_Giggles - She’s not a Christian. She’s a troll. and you’re feeding it what it love to eat most.
it bothers me
Yes, it really does.
It bothers me.
It bothers me because it is only for religious reasons that they can’t and religion shouldn’t be a factor in any of our laws.
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Not really.
My point is that it does not matter whether it bothers me that gays can or can’t marry. Why should my beliefs dictate someone else’s life, no matter how strongly I believe in them? That’s the problem with people banning gay marriage. Why do you have to control someone else’s life to measure up to your moral standards? If we lived in that kind of country, it would be a dictatorship.
It seems clear that this situation will change. Does it bother you that gays will be able to marry?
I have never understood people who think that somehow homosexuality threatens marriage.
All the evidence is clear – it is not homosexuality that threatens marriage – but rather heterosexuality – plain old hetero lust! If people were really interested in defending marriage, they would go after THAT, not homosexuality. But the fact is, they are not really interested in “defending” marriage, they are interested in attacking homosexuality.
What a waste of time! People will be how they will be. God gave ‘em free will – and they use it as they will.
Considering I am a lesbian yes it bothers me that as of right now I can not get married.
Yes.
I’m gay, and it doesn’t bother me that I can’t be married. Having the option would be pretty cool, don’t get me wrong, but I could care less. Marrige is just a signed piece of paper that gives your spouse rights to take half of your stuff if you get divorced.
yes. especially when heterosexual marriages these days seem to end so often in divorce.
It bothers me greatly. We should all be able to marry if we choose!
That’s why Canada rocks. Yes it bothers me that gays can’t be married in the majority of the world because it boils down to equality. It’s silly that this is still an issue, honestly. There is no really good reason for gay people to be denied the right to marry.
Yes…it really bothers me, actually. Especially considering it’s religious reason keeping it from happening…and marriage isn’t really a religious institution. Argue with me if you want, but if you get married in a church, it can be as hardcore religious as you want, but without that marriage license, FROM THE GOVERNMENT, it doesn’t mean jack. And yet…you can get married by a justice of the peace…and that counts. So. Yeah.
Also, people…please, please, please realize that a civil union is NOT the same as a marriage. A couple in a civil union DOES NOT have the same legal rights that a legally married couple does. So…when you argue that gays can go have a civil union, it’s NOT THE SAME THING.
So. It’s prejudice, plain and simple. There is no way around it. It’s like when blacks couldn’t marry whites, women being unable to vote, etc. People are going to look back at us and think how freaking backward we are, the same way we think of slave owners, who were crazy enough to think black people didn’t deserve equal rights.
it doesn’t bother me. think of the money saved in legal fees when they file for divorce, like 50% of the heterosexuals do after they decide they can’t get along anymore.
besides, I am 46 years old, heterosexual, never married. if I can be single this long, then so can they. let them set a better moral example than they currently do and maybe I will change my mind on the issue. or not.
@shiffle21 - Actually…legally marriage is a huge deal. http://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/marriage-rights-benefits-30190.html A few things you might want to consider, if you’re not married, and you significant other gets sick, you can’t visit in a hospital intensive care unit or during restricted visiting hours in other parts of a medical facility. You also won’t be the one to make medical decisions for them if they can’t do it themselves. You also don’t get the right to take off work to care for them. (legally) If they die, you can’t take off for bereavement. You can’t joint adopt. There are a lot more. A lot of people think marriage is just a piece of paper…but it’s actually a huge deal legally…
It bothers me that homosexual couples can not marry each other- as it is a personal choice and commitment.
I don’t see what the issue is, exactly: what is marriage anymore but a piece of paper, two rings, and a false advertisement of happiness?
Women don’t have to put up with a guy’s shit- they have a job and can support themselves in this generation. If a guy cheated before, or was any thing under the sun, a woman needed his support for herself and her kids, if she had any. Now, it’s different. Marriage is no longer a promise, it’s a contract that binds your property together (if that- if you’re smart). Most couples don’t take responsibility for their actions, do something kind for their significant other every day. When courtship is over- a whole other animal emerges. Society lost the stigma of divorce and changed the concept of family a long time ago (by long, I mean within the last two generations).
Let people live and be happy. Regardless of your sexuality- the odds are against you.
~D.s.
@sunflowersforlove - . Anyway, older people happen to be against gay marriage for the most part because of how they grew up so, at least in California… I think that it will eventually be legal once young people start voting more.
Marriage equality will come to pass in California after our parents’ generation start dying off.
It absolutely bothers me.
@SKANLYN - But that’s the problem, you see. Not everyone is Christian or religious at all, so for a good portion of the population the word of god and the bible aren’t relevant. Yet religious people seem to expect everyone to follow the bible’s rules anyway.
It bothers me greatly. That pic is from the movie Shelter which is amazing and the sex scene between them was hot.
It doesn’t bother me, and also, gays have married in California. What does bother me is that gay marriage activism has cost gays (as people) the right to civil unions – I think it was in Ohio that it initially happened, and I don’t know how far that assault on rights has spread since. It bothers me that California gay couples have more insurance rights than non-gay (unmarried) couples. It was certainly fair before gay marriage activism when gays could get civil unions, consider themselves married, and have an approving official do a ceremony for them (outside of legalism).
I agree that it is “interesting” that so many outspoken people everywhere are in favor of gay marriage, especially in California, and yet it continues to be defeated when it’s time to vote. I just guess people will say anything to be popular or what they think is politically correct, or maybe they are just afraid of the activist-type mentality and those who practice it – kinda like the looniness of the Tea Party. Real nuts on both sides.
yes, especially because i’m bi and could one day want to marry a woman and i’d hate (i mean really, really HATE) being told i couldn’t.
Yep! =S
Not at all.
I think marriage is not that important in life. As a person with gay tendencies I would not mind not being able to marry.
Mentally pervs should not be allowed to marry. you know its about the only area of Muslim belief I argee with. DEATH
Yes, it bothers me.
@xFgtxRainbowx - I see your point, but also you have to see it from the person who is already very sick’s point of view. She will have to take care of me, yeah, no big deal, right… but it is. I have no job, and my medical bills are already coming out of my ass at 21. Who do you think will have to pay them? And if my family says yes, which I’m sure they will, she can come and see me if I get sick enough to be laying on my death bed. She won’t be the one making the decisions to pull my plug anyway, unless my parents die in some freak accident (which they better not), and in that case, I would want it to go to my sister. So… thank you very much for not thinking of both sides of the medical issue. That says to me that you don’t research as much as you should, and shouldn’t be talking to me about it. And it doesn’t matter to me because I am not going to joint adopt, I am having the baby my damn self. So honestly, she would ‘legally’ be fucked. Which is why we decided already to not make it legal and just do a little ceremony ourselves with family and friends that understand why we dont want/ or need it legal. My comment was my opinion, not me saying that it was what I thought everybody should believe. So if you are going to get ‘legally’ technical with me, take some time out of your day to actually do some accurate research.
@xFgtxRainbowx - So… I just read your comment to my wife’s opinion, and I honestly have to agree with what she’s saying. It doesn’t bother me that we can’t ‘legally’ get married. To me, it’s just a piece of paper that says who’s things belong with whom, and who gets what when someone suddenly passes. Understand this- I happen to be with someone who does have a medical condition. Every month, she has to go get treated just to ease the pain she endures every single day. Being her partner, you have to expect the conditions and risks when it comes to these types of things. About the medical issue- honestly, if that was SUCH a big deal, they wouldn’t let me in to the infusion center for her treatments, or the ER (which I have been). In all truthfulness, yes, it scares me to think about all the risks involved, especially when it comes to this woman of whom I love more than anything, but I know what to expect and I am ready to take that on if it came down to that. Like she mentioned in her comment, if she were on her death bed, I wouldn’t be the one to make the decision to DNR her. She even told me herself that she wouldn’t want me to do it. She would leave it up to her parents, or if something happened to them, her sister would make that decision. I would be in too much of a wreck for making that decision, and to her it wouldn’t be right.
Now with the adopting bit- I have talked to her about that, however, she insisted that we just do it the old fashioned way. The baby will have her last name, and to the baby, I’ll be the “father.” It is not true that unmarried gay couples cannot adopt, for hundreds have and/or are thinking about it. Celebrities have- for instance: Neal Patrick Harris and his partner adopted via surrogate mother (one is the father, the other adopted). So it is possible for gay couples to adopt children.
“Legally” we are making the right decision. Like she said, we had a small ceremony to commit our love to one another. Such events have been done since the beginning of time. With her not having a job, for the economy isn’t much better in Colorado as it is where you are, and I only working at a dead end job, going to school, and trying to making a better life for her and I, it all works itself out in the end. With the medical bills, if we had a joint account, she wouldn’t be able to get the care she needs because of her job situation. The hospital will be taking those payments out of my paycheck, and I have to pay for my phone, rent, school, my medical bills, and a couple credit cards. With my hourly wage, and living in such a small town, finding a 9 to 5 job that pays more than 12 dollars an hour is impossible. And being that it’s Colorado, a right-wing nutjob state that it is, I’m SURE you have heard that the legislation denied ‘Civil Unions’ in the state of Colorado. Therefore, our chance of being “legally” married is impossible. We have looked at the link you posted, and there are a few great points that would benefit us, but the majority isn’t. If we ran off to Massachusetts to get hitched, and came back to the good ole CO, we would still be in the same perdicament we are in now. These benefits are only obligated to certain states that allow such, and unfortunately CO isn’t one of them. So basically, we just wasted a ton of money and a four hour plane ride for a pointless piece of paper.
I’m not bashing you, but I’m just saying that you should research into both issues and hear from both sides before commenting such things. I have to admit I was a ”little” heated when I read it, and I understand your point, but you also need to see it from not just the other person’s point of view, but from their partner’s as well.