September 11, 2012

  • Teacher’s Strike in Chicago

    I want to stand with the teachers who are on strike in Chicago. 

    Sure there are 400,000 students out of school.  But most people don’t realize that the average teacher in Chicago only makes $71,200 a year.  They also only get three months off during the Summer.  Here is the link:  Link

    In recent days, it has been suggested that teachers be held to some sort of standard for what students learn.

    Do you think it is appropriate for the teachers to strike?

                                                                       

Comments (78)

  • I don’t know everything about the situation, so it’s hard to say. I heard that the state wanted to impose stricter test score/teacher employment rules…not sure, though. If that is the case, I’m not sure how that’s fair. You can’t blame the teachers for the kids’ life obstacles that are making it hard for them to stay in school, let alone thrive in school.

    And yet..the strike is so bad for all those kids.

  • This particular strike is going to up the ante for all other teacher’s unions in cities where there are multi-million dollar budget deficits and education takes the hit to try and balance things out. How will Rahm Emmanuel deal with it? Will he concede ground? Will the union concede ground? I’m following this pretty closely.

  • @Jenny_Wren - I recommend for you a little film called waiting for superman. the picture it paints of the educational system, and the effect that the teachers union has on it is horrifying. 

  • Yes because then no school! Woo hoo! 

  • @iones_island - The film Waiting for Superman is thinly-veiled anti-union propaganda, at the kindest definition.

  • @iones_island - I’ve heard good things about that documentary, I’ll take a look. I have a feeling any negative information about unions will be labeled “propaganda”. 

  • If all they were striking against was the proposals to attach teacher salary and employment almost exclusively to the standardized test scores then i would probably side with the teachers.  (The emphasis on standardized test scores are further destroying what was already an abysmal school system in this country.)

    However, since the teachers (from what i’ve read) are also looking for more money and better retirement and benefits when the district is offering a better deal than they already had and the district was already having financial trouble before the strike (giving credence to the district’s claims to have offered the best deal they can)  I have to conclude that the teachers are just idiots trying to eliminate their own jobs.

  • No I don’t support it. I do think, however, teachers should go on strike from having to be in a union.

  • It’s funny this happen today, as Ontario passed a bill to block teachers from striking (and imposing a wage freeze) for 2 years.

    Teachers are outraged, because they say it takes away their collective bargaining rights. So, they’re going to do a work to rule campaign (only, they’re not calling it “work to rule”… they’re just encouraging teachers to worry about teaching and not worry about silly things like extra-curriculars).

    Everyone claims they act the way they do to fight for the students, yet no one actually does.

  • Per CNN: The union said they were close Sunday night to a deal on pay, but far apart on teacher evaluations, benefits and other issues.

    If you have never been in contract negotiations between a teacher’s union and a school board, you wouldn’t know that tiny changes in words and sentences can take HOURS to hammer out.  Now imagine how long it would take to decide on benefits, class size, and evaluation issues.  As a special education teacher in Illinois, I am very interested in how this is resolved.  I can’t imagine being evaluated based on my low-SES, far below grade level students’ results on the ISAT, or whatever will take its place with the Common Core standards.  Standardized tests, at least for special education students, are wildly inappropriate measures of achievement and success.  Guess what?  One of my middle schoolers improved from knowing 3 letters and 4 numbers to 7 letters and 9 numbers in one school year….but his standardized test scores showed that he didn’t improve at all.  He more than doubled his previous achievement, but doesn’t function like his same-age peers.  Should I be laid off because of that?  I haven’t seen any answers in any of the teacher evaluation system proposals that actually take special education into account.

  • Somehow, private schools and homeschoolers are able to do a better job with thousands less per child. Also, in the real world, if you make a crappy product or have a crappy service, you have to go out of business when someone else comes along and does a better job. Why should the government schools have a monopoly? They get paid either way and the teachers unions make it impossible to fire a bad teacher. However, everywhere that the voucher system has been tried, it has proven to be a success for the students. 

    Isn’t it also amazing that the same liberals who think teachers can never be paid enough say doctors ought to work for free?

  • oh and the for-profit record for school testing is statistically lower than that of public schools and home schooling? it’s anybody’s guess and depends upon the individual parent but with advances in mathematics and science alone i doubt many parents are able to keep up. even when i grew up i often heard parents complain they didn’t understand “the new math”, scientific calculators and such. 

  • They must be learning something in school there.  I just think that unless you go into the military, being a good shot does not have much of a future.

    A teacher can only take the horse to the water and show him how to drink.  It is up to the horse to put forth the effort to perform the act.  The parents need to be held accountable as well.  However, offer school choice for the parents who care and they will get the kid to the right place.  Then covert the empty schools into prisons and the teachers can keep union jobs by working there.  (of course it is more than a 9 months a year job!!) That way they can reap the benefits of working with what they helped to shape and mold. 

  • @Jenny_Wren - espescially since most of the film isn’t focused on unions. the main thread of the doc is following families trying to get their children into better schools by lottery. 

  • Only in America do we trust our politicians more than our teachers.

  • some of the statistics you’re citing are weighted. there are teachers who make much more because they have multiple master’s degrees. look at it this way. i worked at Lehman Brothers. because the CEO and top execs received millions in in year-end bonuses alone the average employee salary would be in the 6 figure category so the gullible might say, OMG janitors and secretaries at Lehman Brothers are making $200,000.00 a year! 

    yes teachers generally get 3 months off during the summer but one of my friends is a high school English literature teacher. during the school year he grades tests at home at night. he works on lesson plans at home. he also makes himself available after his working hours to kids who need help. 

    teachers have been held to standards for decades but in recent years they’ve been micromanaged and held accountable for student test scores. what happens here is teachers are considered great because of student test scores one year and are sometimes found abysmal the following year. much depends on the students entering their classrooms from one year to the next. micromanagement and metrics does not work in schools or in business for the simple reason these processes put undue pressure on those being managed. my start date at Lehman Brothers coincided almost to the day with the institution of a metrics system. as an employee insider i saw four things happen.

    1) some employees cleverly found ways to make themselves look good on paper.

    2) some employees for fear of their job security finished jobs as quickly as possible to look good in the metrics system but their finished jobs were riddled with careless mistakes others had to correct.

    3) many employees who had previously done their jobs with integrity and gave it their all felt under the micromanagement of a matrix system felt mistrusted and unappreciated, eventually saying “fuck this place.”

    4) *scrubbing the books* scrubbing the books is a term used to describe how managers make metrics look good for their own job security but it also requires choosing scapegoats for what’s not going right. a perfect example at Lehman Brothers could be seen in managers scrubbing the books to make outsourcing look far more productive and error free than it actually was. the reason they were ordered to do this is because those at the top were handed hugely larger bonuses for “saving the firm money” by outsourcing jobs when in reality outsourcing cost the firm money. in fact employees were forbidden from telling bankers their jobs were not done on time because they were outsourced to India and had to be done over. 

    the thing that boggles my mind is how the banking industry with it’s millionaires and billionaires was allowed to drive our economy off the cliff but teachers, police and firefighters are under attack for ruining our economy. when i went to school teachers were devoted to us and never hesitated to stay late to help a student out. it is police and firefighters who run into danger to save lives and protect people. how did they become the bad guys?

  • @TheSutraDude - That’s why most homeschool parents hire tutors for these subjects as they progress into more difficult material. All the homeschoolers I’ve ever known (and I wasn’t homsechooled) excelled my classmates in math and science. One-on-one learning personally tailored to the students is far, far more efficient and effective than the classroom herd environment. 

  • @Jenny_Wren - i agree personal tutoring would be effective but then the parents are hiring teachers aren’t they. there are also parents who hire tutors for their kids attending public school. 

  • @mtngirlsouth - Home schooling costs less like faith healing costs less than chemotherapy.

  • @TheSutraDude - But it would be one-on-one tutoring during school hours and for however long they need, rather than a full day of impersonal schooling with tutoring on top of it. And, no, they’re not necessarily teachers themselves–just people who know their stuff.

  • you know… normally teachers have good reason to strike… but not so much this time. 

    The people (aka the government) pay for these teachers and their extremely good salary. And so the government should be able to fire a teacher who is not performing, and hire ones who can. The leaders of Chicago’s teachers union have nerve.

  • Not sure why it’s such a complicated mess. Teachers teach our kids how to be a functioning part of society. Pay these people right so they can do their job and well. It’s a common sense investment. Simplify this shit and stop fucking around with our future.

  • and one more thing. i was a high-end student throughout public school and college especially in math, logic and reasoning, science and music. in today’s system of judging teachers by test scores i would be considered an unfair advantage in anyone’s class. i’m happy that when i attended school teachers put me into special programs rather than keep me in their classes for the purposes of keeping their numbers up to secure their jobs. think of all the people who say, “i hate math” or “i was no good in math.” i think we all know them. they are good at other things. does that mean their math teachers were worse than mine? think of people who are tone deaf or nearly so or people who have no rhythm. does that make their music teachers worse than mine? i don’t think so. 

  • Hm. This makes me rethink it a little bit. 

  • As far as getting fired, you don’t do your job right, you should be fired. Consequtive years of failing students is grounds for termination. Just like at any other job, if you such at it, you shouldn’t be working there.

  • @Jenny_Wren - sure but your characterization of teachers being impersonal is misguided. of course the larger the number of students in a classroom through attrition the more we take away from a teacher’s ability to be personal. i’ve taught students privately and i’m sorry but i was a professional teacher for having done so. i charged $50/hour in the 1980s which was considerable though not the top pay for a private teacher in my field, not by a long shot. and if the tutoring on a subject takes place during school hours my question would be what is the student missing that is being taught during school hours to accommodate that tutoring time? 

  • @Jenny_Wren - “All the homeschoolers I’ve ever known (and I wasn’t homsechooled) excelled my classmates in math and science.”

    Sounds as if you had pretty stupid classmates.

  • No I don”t and they are damn lucky to have a job that pays that well.

  • @Celestial_Teapot - Or really smart homeschool friends. Which was the intent of my phrasing it that way. Sorry it was unclear. I’ll try better next time to phrase it more simply.

  • @TheSutraDude - What I mean is–the one-on-one time would *be* the equivalent of whatever time slot a public school would offer. Instead of sitting in a classroom with other students, you would have the same material covered in same time or more, but it would be one-on-one.

    And I meant exactly what you said–it’s not that teacher’s themselves are impersonal or meanspirited or anything. They simply can’t personally teach each student, though–or give them the same undivided attention that is available in homeschooling or one-on-one tutoring.

    I’ve known parents who simply ask people who are good at math to teach their kids who are friends of the family, too. With being able to hire whoever you want, especially if you now them personally, the going hourly rate can be very affordable.

  • @Jenny_Wren - At my public high schools, some sophomores and juniors were already taking Calculus AP and by the time they were applying to college, scored 750+ on the SAT I and IIc standarized math tests.

    Somehow, I think they would have been served worse if they were plucked out of their environments for success, away from their hard-working peers, away from their expereinced and talented instructors, and plopped into the living room of some average Joe and Jane wannabe parental teachers.

  • @Jenny_Wren - So okay, personaly anecdotes count for shit in general discussions.

  • @Jenny_Wren - “And I meant exactly what you said–it’s not that teacher’s themselves are impersonal or meanspirited or anything. They simply can’t personally teach each student, though–or give them the same undivided attention that is available in homeschooling or one-on-one tutoring.”

    Parents are essentially untrained teachers with zero years of experience in their subject matter and grade level. Under these circumstances, better instructor-to-student ratios doesn’t count for much, does it?

    “I’ve known parents who simply ask people who are good at math to teach their kids who are friends of the family, too. With being able to hire whoever you want, especially if you now them personally, the going hourly rate can be very affordable.”

    You’re right. Tutors– friends, classes, hired-help– are awesome. You do know that public school kids have tutors too, right?

  • @Celestial_Teapot - “Parents are essentially untrained teachers with zero years of experience in their subject matter and grade level.”

    You assume so. And you’d be wrong. But, I really can’t convince you otherwise, can I? You don’t know the father who single-handedly taught Latin and advanced mathematics to his children that I know. You don’t know the mother who read the classics extensively and taught her children jointly with her best friend from college that I know. You don’t know the parents who’ve studied and passionately and lovingly teach their kids…you don’t know the kind of people I’m talking about. And you don’t know the incredibly gifted homeschool students I’ve known who’ve received scholarships out the wazoo (if you’ll pardon my phrasing) and other  accolades in areas of unique study that they probably wouldn’t have had they been boxed in to the cookie-cutter curriculum made for them. So how can I convince you?

  • @Jenny_Wren - Did either individuals attend university for their teaching credential? I’m going to assume no, but you may correct me if I’m wrong.

    Did either individuals have expereince comparable to the median-experienced teacher? 7+ years teaching the same subject, refining lesson plans, and learning the challenges of their specialized subject matter? I’m going to assume no, but again, feel free to chime in with corrections.

    Well, you don’t know my teachers. My Calculus teacher had a Cal Tech degree and a math PhD from Cal. My US History teacher had a history PhD from UCLA. My Chem teacher got her chem degree from Univ. of Wash. at St. Louis. And thei results reflect their academics– they churn out year after year of high AP exam passing rates.

    I know you may have super-special homeschoolers in mind, but don’t think they don’t exist at our public schools either. But the difference is that teachers– trained and expereinced ones– teach for a living. They educate, inspire, and affect generations and multiple classrooms of kids.

  • @Celestial_Teapot -  I’ve had homeschooling, it’s not so bad. Minju I don’t think we actually learned anything. Φ

    And yes, that could’ve been the reason why Dad got rid of her.

  • @Jenny_Wren - fair enough on your first point. 

    on your third point fine too if you have friends who are qualified and willing to spend their free time away from their families to teach someone else’s kids for free or next to nothing. 

    to your second point, i had both private and public teachers. i felt no difference in concern for my well-being between any of them. in fact if anything i felt my private teachers were less concerned because when that hour was up they asked my parents for more money for the next 15 minutes or they were gone. when i was a kid it made me feel like no more than a commodity to them. 

    another factor is what a kid gets from interacting with peers on a daily basis. that interaction can be positive or negative but it helps a kid prepare for the real world. yes one can join the other kids after school but there is a feeling of “what did i miss during the day” like when we are grownup and feel we’ve missed out on an inside story or joke. 

    something else that gets under my skin is what many parents teach their kids at home. i was about 14 and at a friend’s house when his little sister came running home crying. she was crying because she saw a black kid in the neighborhood and was terrified. her mother told her not to worry because she wouldn’t let him hurt her. i was about to leave at that moment. i left and headed home. i saw the black kid. he was dressed in a suit and tie, something none of us white kids wore if we could avoid it. he was a member of the high school football team and was going door to door selling cookies or candy or something for team uniforms. it broke my heart that my friend’s 10 year old sister had been taught by her parents to be afraid of black people and oh yeah, they were big-time racists. it also broke my heart that this kid around my age was likely getting doors politely slammed in his face in that neighborhood because of the color of his skin. it’s too often parents teach their kids racism so i don’t trust them much with math and science. 

  • @Celestial_Teapot - They didn’t attend university specifically to be a teacher–but they studied the specific subject matter and received degrees in that subject matter. And they remained abreast of current academic criticism concerning the subject matter and studied alongside peers who were also passionate about the specific subject they were.

    That won’t satisfy you, because you think the ability to be a good teacher comes from a piece of paper. But I would say they had the equivalent or more experience/qualified study than any run-of-the-mill teacher out there. They passionately studied it outside of any status-quo standard of knowledge–and that’s how it USED to be in classical education. I would say, that’s how it should be.

     I knew two stand-out teachers in public school, so I know they do exist. I’m not saying they don’t. But they simply could not offer one-on-one attention to each student in their classroom. It would take all the school day for them to do that for just one class. But, and I know you won’t believe me–I have never known any homeschool parent who was as lackadaisical as some of the teachers in public school. Each one strived for the very best for their children. They pooled from their own well of knowledge, and from the knowledge of others–it was like a village effort to form their children’s minds to be the best they could be.
    It wasn’t to give them the equivalent of what could be offered in public school–it was to give them something far better. And I would say they succeeded. 

  • @TheSutraDude - I 100% agree with having kids interact with peers on a daily basis. Good thing there are co-ops, community theater/sports teams, and church youthgroup.

    Also–that is horrible what that mother taught her daughter. 

  • more ice cream parties!!!!!!!! whoever gets an A on the midterm gets a ticket to enter the raffle to win prizes. whoever aces the final exam gets to spin the wheel at a school assembly party to possibly win a trip to disneyworld! or gift certificates of varying amounts. all paid from sponsors the school will be plastered in ads like a racecar is labeled with ads from sponsors. everyone wins. but no…school was boring and not exciting as the price is right. bad marketing and management.

  • @Jenny_Wren - yes it was horrible. her mother and father taught her that. not every family in my neighborhood was racist but most were. only weeks later i was walking down the street with that same friend when out of the blue and for no apparent reason he said something about stupid niggers. i lost it because i’d heard enough. he was Italian. i’m Scandinavian and while i get a tan during the summer he was darker. i told him if he believes someone is inferior because their skin is darker then you are inferior to me yes? oh did that piss him off. he turned around and headed home. he didn’t talk to me for days. he probably told his parents too. 

    all i can say is i had great teachers who cared, worked hard and they guided me to great things in life. they were worth every penny, more actually. 

  • @Celestial_Teapot - I’ve been reading your comments on this post, and I just wanted to say how much I appreciate them. I agree with you completely.

  • another little detail i doubt many Xangans are aware of. even if teachers in Chicago actually did earn $72k a year, which most don’t, that might seem like a lot to someone who lives in small town U.S.A. but here’s a wake up call. in the late 1980s my wife and i paid $2,500/month for a two bedroom apartment in Manhattan. parking in the building cost an additional $300/month. cities are more expensive today 20 years later if you want any sort of comfort we consider normal. deduct taxes from that $72k and you’re under $50k/year. it’s definitely doable but now hold an ax over your head waiting for you to make a wrong move, waiting for you to not turn a kid with bad parents or social problems into Einstein and your life and livelihood is threatened every day. put yourself in those shoes. 

  • Do they want more money so to buy more food ? I dont want to be discourteous but by their look on your picture they look well fed enough to me…

  • @Lithium98 - Teachers shouldn’t be teaching kids how to function in society, they should be educating them on mathematics, literature, language skills, history, and science.  The problem with Chicago schools is the parents have abdicated their responsibility of teaching their kids how to function in society.

  • Damn. My college professors with PhD’s make less than that.

  • @meatloafpriest - You’re right. I definitely agree. I meant that teachers should be showing them all the basics like you pointed out. When it comes to social mannerisms and all around being a decent person, that’s on the parent.

  • Teachers are overpaid.  Period.  The unions are out of control.

  • @Jenny_Wren - Well said and sooooo true!

  • a few months ago, the mayor who used to work in the White House before becoming mayor turned down a three per cent raise for teachers. The teachers union threatened to strike and demand a 24% pay increase, and stated they would go on strike when school started.

    NO, I DO NOT STAND WITH THESE SELFISH LOSERS.

    fire them all. hire new teachers who are willing to do the job. 

  • I don’t know anything about the situation so I don’t have anything really to say about it. :)

  • Only only makes $71,200 a year! Woah poor them! the average person makes about $50,000 and someone on minum wage might make less than 20,000. If this is a stike about money they are being stupid. Now if it is a strike about protesting standardized tests, I fully agree.

    @mrcolorful - Agreed

  • The students being out of school is a short term issue. The long term issues how all working people get paid in this country(which entirely is too little), and how the school system is handled. I’d rather those issues get addressed first, then the kids go back to school so it will benefit their long term futures, as well.

  • @gokellyjo - It’s not that the teachers are overpaid(my sister only gets $32,000, by the way), it’s that most other working class people are vastly underpaid. Salaries in the U.S. have not even come close to keeping up with the GDP or real inflation since the 70′s. That is the problem. 

  • @mtngirlsouth - oddly enough, i think i’m more conservative than you on the issue of vouchers.  i want my taxes going to public education only.  if you want to remove your child from the system, you should do so entirely at your own expense. 

  • Wake up dude. Teachers are most underpaid profession anywhere in the world. 

  • Politicians are under pressure to cut the budget. Teachers are not stupid and will try to earn their salaries.The final outcome is unknown and if the students suffer, the cost and price of failing students just gets passed onto other places.

    Politicians can point to the educational system and claim it is over priced. Uniquely Rommey suggested that disabled students and other students should be able to transfer to other schools. Basically nice neighborhoods have nice schools and other students should be able to take advantage of the nice schools.
    @KnightInCROATIANarmor - Right, -  a lot of times teaching is a labor of love.

    @flapper_femme_fatale - vouchers looks like “free” money to church based schools, If conservatives want private schools they should fund them with private money because of their ingrained education/propaganda.

  • Too much is expected of teachers these days. They have to be Mom & Dad, in addition to teachers.  Many parents don’t insist their kids EARN their grades.  I have friends who are teachers and I feel for what they do….most of them truly care about the children.  However……..we (my husband and I) make a LOT less than $71,000 a year…..that would make us feel rich!!! I doubt that striking is the best way to try to resolve this…. 

  • @PPhilip - agreed.  apparently conservatives don’t mind tax dollars being spent on education, as long as it benefits them directly.

  • @flapper_femme_fatale - “oddly enough, i think i’m more conservative than you on the issue of vouchers.  i want my taxes going to public education only.  if you want to remove your child from the system, you should do so entirely at your own expense.” 

    Why? Is it because they waste so much money at it? Or maybe because they can do so much less with so much more money? Or is it because the quality of public school’s education is so much less than that of private schools? Oh no, I know what it is, it’s because they force us all to pay for it, and you seem to love it when the government forces people to pay for crappy services. 

  • DAN I LOVE YOU

    Obviously only a fascist would want to hold public servants who critically affect the next generation’s livelihood and well-being to reasonable standards, and fire those who fail…. *gasp*  the same way private businesses would evaluate their own employees.  And to only pay them 70K to do their jobs is impoverishing them.  I have no idea how I live on 1/3 of such a low salary without dying of scurvy.

    Can somebody please explain to me why standardized tests are not an
    appropriate way to evaluate teacher performance… and if so, what’s a
    feasible alternative?

  • @gokellyjo - Go ahead and tell my years of schooling and my paycheck that I’m overpaid.

  • @justtheway_youare - No Offense intended

    .  However – I have a bachelors degree (4 years from a state university) and a specialized certification (another 2 years) and state boards exam  for licensure.  I still make about 30k less than the tenured teachers in our community.  
    The difference between me and teachers with the same amount of schooling – and experience is a really well organized union.  And of course – 3 plus months off per year.  

  • @Celestial_Teapot - I wonder, do you have any statistical studies, or anything at all other than your own hot air that backs your position that public schooling is better than home schooling? You don’t have to answer because you’re still blocked, and I won’t be notified anyway. But facts don’t lie. You do. Public school teachers have unions that assure them that they will keep their job regardless of how well they do it. Parents, however, have a much bigger investment to think about. Colleges actually court home schooled students. Study after study shows that home schooled students are much better educated on average than public school students. And believe it or not, they do better in social situations too. 

    http://parentables.howstuffworks.com/family-matters/study-finds-homeschoolers-outperform-traditionally-schooled-kids.html

    http://www.elearningyellowpages.com/k-12/HomeSchoolingVersusPublicSchools-a32.html

    http://finance.yahoo.com/news/homeschool-public-school-153636627.html

    http://www.electionforum.org/realityalert/4-homeschool-gets-better-report-card-than-public-schools/

    http://www.theblaze.com/stories/study-home-schooled-kids-beat-public-school-kids-in-math-reading/

    http://www.examiner.com/article/colleges-want-your-homeschooled-kids

    http://www.prweb.com/releases/2011/01/prweb4940474.htm

    http://www.columbiamissourian.com/stories/2008/04/06/colleges-missouri-are-recruiting-home-schooled-stu/

    http://www.carolinajournal.com/exclusives/display_exclusive.html?id=3983

    http://www.offthegridnews.com/2012/03/14/homeschool-vs-public-school-whose-better-socialized/

    Don’t be so haughty when you don’t even present any real facts to back your position. @Jenny_Wren - has been a lot nicer to you than you deserve. 

  • I’m a retired nurse and I don’t feel sorry for them

  • @TheSutraDude - Manhattan and Chicago aren’t comparable in cost of living.  Today you can get that same kind of housing (probably more space) for $1200 a month in Chicago.  And owning a car in either Chicago or Manhattan, if you report to a fixed work place, is a luxury, not a necessity so I feel no pity for the cost of keeping a vehicle.

  • that’s not exclusive to chicago, bill.

  • @meatloafpriest - i realize that but compared to living somewhere in Smalltown U.S.A city life is expensive. that was my point and even in a city a car is not a luxury. i could move to a town in Maine today where a friend of mine lives and get a very nice apartment for $200/month. 

  • @TheSutraDude - I managed quite nicely in Chicago without a car.

  • @TheSutraDude - I thought I would need a car when I moved to Chicago, too.  I got rid of it after 6 months, public transportation is amazing and you can access anywhere in a reasonable length of time.

  • @meatloafpriest - i didn’t own a car in Manhattan either. i owned motorcycles and when i needed a car i rented one. let get this straight though. we should tell our young people who are thinking of going into a teaching career they should not expect to own a car because we don’t consider teachers important enough to pay them much? we will soon be a nation without teachers. 

  • A David Dayden article is in order to show what the real issues are>

    -netnguy

    Corporate-Led Education Reform Movement Ignores Solvable Problems to Carry Out Its Agenda

    By: David Dayen Tuesday September 11, 2012 9:06 am

    Rahm Emanuel routed money to Chicago Board of Trade & Hyatt Hotels over school repair

    One thing you never hear in the education debate, dominated by those persistently shrieking that schools “are in crisis,” is an appeal to the actual data surrounding school performance. The statistics are pretty clear that American students have exceeded their performance over a 30-year period, and that’s true if you control for various populations, both white, Hispanic and African-American. It also happensto be true for the city of Chicago. Students have gradually, maybe slowly, performed better, based on theTrial Urban District Assessment, a gauge of student learning in urbanschool districts. Chicago students in reading and math are performing abit better. This fits with the 35-year trend of American studentsperforming better. And it’s based on the best available data.

    None of this is to say that Chicago schools are a paragon of virtue. To the extent that there are problems, it appears clear that they have to do with resources. The schools in the lowest-income areas have no air conditioning. Roofs leak. The cafeteria is full of roaches. Mold sits in the ventilation systems. Kids don’t get textbooks for weeks. Administrators pack classrooms with 40 and 50 students at a time. These are pretty obvious and solvable problems.

    CPS schools across the district have been begging for basic repairs and fundamentally urgent repairs for decades while the city builds brand-new, state-of-the-art facilities elsewhere. While CPS claims to use a facility repair rating system to help it prioritize the facility needs of the nearly 700 buildings it owns, students, teachers, principals and parents know all too well that their needs — some involving dangerous health hazards — get ignored year after year.

    This practice has been solidified with the new CPS administration.Chief Operating Officer Tim Cawley stated twice — once at a FacilitiesTask Force hearing and once to the press — that CPS will not invest in schools it expects to close in 5 or 10 years.

    Worse, there’s apparently money in the system to make these repairs, in the form of TIFs or Tax Increment Financing, that have been re-routed to pet projects, including a Hyatt Hotel and the Chicago Board of Trade.

    The corporate-funded “education reform” movement, however, neglectsthese demonstrable problems. They prefer to describe American education,and in this case Chicago education, as in a state of perpetual crisis. (You would think that, regarding Chicago, they would blame the guy incharge of the city’s public schools from 2001 to 2009, current Education Secretary and reform movement leader Arne Duncan).They use this assumption of a crisis, picked up by the media and prominent politicians, as a pretext to enact wide-ranging interventions into schools that may just need a solid roof, no lead in the paint and some relief from the heat. They want to overhaul so-called “failing schools,” and hand them over to entities which don’t run them any better but which make a lot of money for investors and for-profit vendors.

    This is a very good overview of the Chicago Teachers Union strike, and this serves as a marker for what Chicago teachers want out of their schools. It’s about a teachers union that finally said no to the rightward drift of education policy, led by a new mayor committed to the corporate-led reform agenda. The issues of student testing evaluations and the like are the means to the end of the ultimate privatization of the education system. When you look at assessment that doesn’t incorporate the standardized tests, you see that the schools have progressed, with student achievement on the rise. But that would be deeply harmful to the corporate-led reform agenda.

    Rick Perlstein has a more personal rendering of how one mayor pushed the union too far.

    Since Rahm Emanuel’s election in the spring of 2011, Chicago’s teachers have been asked to eat shit by a mayor obsessed with displaying to the universe his “toughness” — toughness with the working-class people that make the city tick; toughness with the protesters standing up to say “no”; but never, ever toughness with the vested interests, including anti-union charter school advocates, who poured $12 million into his coffers to elect him mayor (his closet competitor raised $2.5 million). The roots of the strike began when Emanuel announced his signature education initiative: extending Chicago’s school day. Overwhelmingly, Chicago’s teachers support lengthening the day, which is the shortest of any major district in the country. Just not the way Rahm wanted to ram it down their throats: 20 percent more work; 2 percent more pay.

    He had already canceled a previously negotiated 4 percent cost-of-living raise, and accused teachers who balked of not caring about their students. The teachers’ response to this abuse is something all of us should be paying attention to. If Chapter 1 of the Americanpeople’s modern grass-roots fight against the plutocracy was the demonstrations at the Wisconsin State Capitol in the spring of 2011, andChapter 2 was the Occupy encampments of that summer, the Chicago Teachers Union’s stand against Emanuel should go down as Chapter 3. It’s been inspiration to anyone frustrated that people have forgotten how good it feels to stand up to bullies — and how effective it can be.

    Emanuel said specifically to Karen Lewis, head of the CTU, that “25 percent of the students in this city are never going to be anything, never going to amount to anything and he was never going to throw money at them.” That’s at the heart of this dispute. And you can apply that kind of logic to the middle class, if the aggression of anti-union forces around the country are allowed to go forward unchecked.

  • 71 K a year??  Holy shit…  come on in here kids, lemme learn ya some grammer!

  • Going to school in chicago and seeing the “quality and effort” the “teachers” put into the education they “give”. I’d say no.

    I do understand the taxes and union pays they make but it still isn’t that bad considering what little effort the majority of those teachers put towards the kids.

    I’ve also been to other schools out of the cps system and I have to say the one’s not in cook county really had higher standards and actually cared.

    I’de back anyother county but not this one.

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