October 16, 2012
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Top Ten Ways To Get Away With Rape
A flyer was posted in a men’s restroom at Miami University of the Top Ten Ways to Get Away with Rape. (I was given this link by burn_journal).
The flyer reads “Practice makes perfect. The more you rape, the better you get at it.” One line is “If you’re afraid that the girl will identify you, slit her throat.”One is “Never take pictures or give your phone number to the girl you rape.” It also encourages men to use protection. Here is the link: LinkObviously this is in poor taste but it just seems like a stupid joke. Some are suggesting this is an indication there is a real problem at the school.Do you think this is a sign there is a problem at the school?
Comments (105)
If you look at this sign and also take into account the number of rapes that have occurred in recent years in the Oxford area, yes there is a problem.
11. Have a super small penis and she won’t even know you stuck it in!
I think trivializing the topic is dangerous, it doesn’t matters if it’s by jokes or just claiming flase rapes or calling every single gesture a rape, trivializing such a topic endangers the security and health of everyone.
Yea, I do kind of think that was in bad taste, even if it was meant to be a “practical joke”. At LEAST it wasn’t posted in the womens’ restroom, right? Lol
Theo, you can do more intelligent subject matter.
@TakingxOverxMe - Yup, exactly.
no, i think it is indicative of a problem with society at large.
Yes. They are accepting stupid people. I hope they didn’t give him a scholarship.
I think it is both in bad taste and an indication of a problem
…da fuq?
Yes, it is a problem.
@ShimmerBodyCream - i want to rec this, but I’ll just leave a comment instead. oh geez. LOL. good one.
Considering that Miami U seems to get in trouble every couple of years for hazing and once even had a Panhellenistic council have to come in and intervene for their fraternities/sororities, yes, it’s a problem.
Obviously something is wrong with the person who produced that, and it sounds like somebody who ought to be in prison. The school’s failure to warn students even in that hall is a sign of something wrong with the school. That is no joke.
I think it says more about our society, ESPECIALLY if anyone “meant” this as some kind of joke. I say the local women ought to retaliate by posting signs on every tree, every telephone pole, every building that says:
Top Ten Ways to Dispose of a Rapist (or His Weapon)
As someone whose life has been ruined by rape, I find this appalling. It is irrelevant if it is a joke or not, it makes me want to find a list of the top 10 ways of getting away with vigilante justice.
The best chance anyone has of getting away with rape would be to vote for the Paul Ryan/Todd Akin anti-choice legislation which thankfully did not pass but originally claimed there is such a thing as legitimate rape and would have de-legitimized the phrase “No means no.”
Obviously a bad joke.
Guess what people: free speech.
that’s sick.
@Celestial_Teapot - That isn’t what free speech means. Besides being an irrelevant defense in this case, it seems counterproductive that people use the excuse of “free speech” to protect oppressive, hateful, or violent speech.
This is… Just… Wrong. So… Wrong.
Rape is never a joke and you should not have reposted it-poor choice.
My guess is that it was intended as a joke. An appalling, not funny at all joke, mind you. As for free speech, yes it applies in this case. The knucke-dragger who posted this won’t be going to jail. But that doesn’t mean that the people whom he has voluntarily associated with, like the administrators of the university, can’t read him the riot act or decide to terminate their association with him.
@TheSutraDude - I’m sorry, but that’s a lie.
This is ridiculous! They ought to expel the prick that posted it then work their way up. If that was posted somewhere I worked it would be removed so fast your head would spin. I can’t imagine how long it was posted, but if the restroom was only for students, I would imagine nobody cared or was offended by it.
@randomneuralfirings - I’m sorry but it’s not a lie. Paul Ryan and Todd Akin co-sponsored an anti-abortion bill in which had it passed would have redefined rape by using the term “legitimate rape” as an exception. This brought up the question “What is not legitimate rape?” and more importantly “When is rape not considered not legitimate?” Todd Akin answered by making the claim that if a woman becomes pregnant from a rape it could not really have been rape because the female body has ways of “shutting that whole thing down.” Akin said legitimate rape victims rarely get pregnant. Because he made this claim the republican party tried for weeks to get Akin to drop out of his Senate race but he refused. Akin and Ryan were forced to change the language in their bill and removed the term “legitimate rape.”
“From what I understand from doctors, that’s really rare,” said Akin said of pregnancy caused by rape. “If it’s a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down. But let’s assume maybe that didn’t work or something. I think there should be some punishment, but the punishment ought to be on the rapist.” — Todd Akin
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/19/todd-akin-abortion-legitimate-rape_n_1807381.html
“Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan say they disagree with Missouri Representative Todd Akin’s opposition to abortions for rape victims, but Akin’s reference Sunday to “legitimate rape” recalled the “forcible rape” language contained in a bill Ryan co-sponsored last year.” — http://www.boston.com/politicalintelligence/2012/08/20/mitt-romney-paul-ryan-seek-distance-from-legitimate-rape-remark-but-records-show-narrow-support-for-abortion/sAKM3m1heqoAUL4wsY666H/story.html
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/post/how-bad-is-the-ryan-akin-anti-abortion-bill/2012/08/20/c7e37e04-eafe-11e1-9ddc-340d5efb1e9c_blog.html
@voicimessecrets - “That isn’t what free speech means.”
It absolutely does. It is important in the academic setting as it is in a democracy.
Free speech is the freedom to communicate ideas and sympatheis– whether as personal self-expression or to persuade.
The individual who created and posted the flier is, superficially, communicating a sort of dark humor. It might be just for a personal laugh. In the larger scheme of things, however, it may be a pushback against the solemn tone of state or community alarmism when it comes to sexual assault in the area. To me, the list may have very well parodied a similiar “10 ways to avoid a rapist” list.
“Besides being an irrelevant defense in this case…”
Free speech is absolutely relevent. The setting is a:
(1) University. Atmosphere where free speech is important.
(2) Ohio. In the United States. Where the freedom of speech is protected by the First Amendment.
(3) Restroom stall. A releatively public forum. People communicate with fliers and notes in restrooms regularly.
“…it seems counterproductive that people use the excuse of “free speech” to protect oppressive, hateful, or violent speech.”
How? You would actually have a point if the flier were meant literally, if the flier was interpreted literally, or if the flier led to the likely execution of a crime. But it doesn’t and you don’t.
So just because it hurts your feeling, an individual should be barred from communicating ideas and sympathies? That he barred from mocking and criticizing?
It seems to me that you’re doing just as the flier does: Your voicing your opinion.
The protections and values of the freedom of speech doesn’t end at the point where we disagree with the contents of the speech.
It’s a shitty joke… Not even remotely funny.
But I don’t think this is a larger issue. We take rape pretty damn serious already. The only people who don’t are sociopaths. I don’t think even a large minority of society is sociopathic to the extent of bypassing social norms and customs and doing what is essentially considered a crime as bad as murder.
there is a problem in our society
@Celestial_Teapot - I don’t think anybody was talking about free speech. Just what such speech says about the speaker.
I don’t know if it is a widespread problem, but whomever posted/created the flyer has issues that should be dealt with professionally or with a .45
Or maybe someone has a strange way of raising awareness?
Yes there is a problem. How in the world did this person make it to college?? He has a mentality of a 13-year-old (that or of a dementedly perverse joker) and on top of that, he has poor grammar. I want to write with a Sharpie at the bottom of that paper “Yeah, in jail, boys!” Sicko.
It sounds like typical college-type jokes that attempt to be witty and address some societal problem pretending it is the norm.
@TheSutraDude - It looks like Democrats have added “rapist” to their list of demonizing insults: racist, rapist, bigot homophobe.
When are you guys going to start arguing ideas instead of engaging in bullying.
every time a subject like this is not taken seriously, we grow slowly immune to what is happening. in 20 years, a girl will say “i was raped last night!” and we will say “so what?” recall how the entire nation would be so polarized whenever a crime happened to a little child? it was so rare! now, almost daily there is a story of some evil act against a child and we turn the page to something else and shake our heads. like this post. there was a time when reading something like this would be upsetting. now we just walk on by. are we really comfortably numb?
Rape is never a joke, and it’s tasteless that people should ever make light of such a tragedy. Genocide, pedophilia, racism, murder, assault, homophobia and all the other bad stuff is perfectly okay to joke about though. No one cares about those things enough anyways.
It doesn’t come across as a joke at all. It comes across as someone actually promoting rape, probably hoping that his own crimes will be obscured by others. Find it and stop it.
@PrisonerxOfxLove - No. In fact redefining rape to say if a female becomes pregnant from rape and incest she probably was not raped is Paul Ryan’s and Todd Akin’s idea. It is in their bill. It is an idea to be argued against. They argued for the idea and last I checked neither Paul Ryan or Todd Akin are democrats. I’m not a democrat either. I’m a registered independent.
@TheSutraDude - It is absolutely unconscionable to associate Paul Ryan with Todd Akin. You’re using the classical logical flaw called “guilt by association.”
Democrats do that because they can’t present rational arguments for their own governing philosophy.
After 4 years of the Obama Catastrophe you people are still blaming Bush and creating issues that don’t really exist. Distraction, lies and irrationality have no place in American politics.
Hopefully the Democrat Party will be sent packing this November.
@PrisonerxOfxLove - Akin and Ryan co-authored the bill. That is a fact. Nobody else made that up. It’s documented in Congress. Their bill was voted on and voted down. You should be arguing with Paul Ryan, not me.
@TheSutraDude - So what?! Two people in the Congress author a bill. Would that the Democrats author some sort of budget sanity or quit blaming innocent people for their fiascoes.
The only reason you’re making an issue out of this is because of Todd Akin. Obviously you got your marching orders from CNN and MSLSD.
Why aren’t you interested in the murders at the Libyan Embassy or the murders on the border because of Fast And Furious?
@PrisonerxOfxLove - “Why aren’t you interested in the murders at the Libyan Embassy or the murders on the border because of Fast And Furious?”
Because this is a blog about rape, Attorney General Holder was cleared of any wrong-doing by the Fast and Furious panel and the Libyan Embassy investigation is ongoing.
I don’t take marching orders from anyone.
And Paul Ryan stands by his stance as seen in that bill. The GOP voted for the bill but when it was made public republicans distanced themselves from Akin, even pulled out campaign funds but now that things have quieted down they’re back funding his campaign.
@TheSutraDude - This blog has nothing to do with GOP politicians. You are demeaning a very serious topic in your attempt to score political points.
@PrisonerxOfxLove - Romney chose a running mate who doesn’t believe no means no specifically when it comes to rape and incest. That is as serious as it gets on the topic of rape in this country.
@TheSutraDude - Read and understand your own comments. This is a post about rape. You have just proved again that you are out to exploit the suffering of rape victims for your own petty political purposes.
It is so funny when someone says they are independent yet they completely worship one side and always berate the other. Makes me wonder if they know what being independent really is. Oh how I wish the masses would wake up to the fact that there really are no longer two parties – there is but one agenda in politics: the destruction of the rights of the people. Such a shame that the people are so easily distracted and willingly uneducated about this most important subject. Lambs to the slaughter.
OMG! I hope they can find out who posted it…..and kick them out of school!
@mtngirlsouth - I fully agree, but what does this have to do with rape?
@TheSutraDude - Is the fact that a couple politicians are idiots enough to justify a holocaust?
@PrisonerxOfxLove - People need to know where Ryan stands on the issue of rape before going to the polls to vote. It is indeed you who should read your own comments. You are the one who attempted to change the topic to Fast and Furious.
@mtngirlsouth - ”Independent” does NOT mean that one cannot have strong opinions one way or another. While I don’t necessarily agree with you about the single agenda in politics, it is clear that a Presidential candidate will have little choice as to the course of action as President. It then becomes important to evaluate the candidate’s ability to reason, to evaluate, and to take the course that benefits the most people with the least damage to others. @TheSutraDude has clearly done his research an has reached a solid conclusion based on all aspects of that research.
@Semper_medusa - I’m not sure what you are implying by bringing the holocaust or a holocaust into this.
@TheSutraDude - Ryan’s stance on rape is the same as every other reasonable person. You trying to demonize good people and use the suffering of raped women to score political points is beneath contempt. But such contempt for civility is usual among Democrats.
@slmret - The Presidential debate was a bonanza for Romney. Even Californians swung 8 points in Romney’s favor after the debates.
@PrisonerxOfxLove - Actually Ryan’s stance on rape is hugely unpopular throughout the country and especially among women. Ryan has told us his stance. I take him at his word.
If this was supposed to be humorous, it falls way short. You know how you can laugh at a racist joke even though you know you shouldn’t and you don’t agree with that viewpoint at all?
This is just bad in all ways. Like oh my GOD, you are so clever, dude! “When you see a woman walking by herself take advantage of the fact that she is alone.” WHAT AN ABSOLUTELY HILARIOUS IDEA! AND IN NO WAY OVERDONE IN EVERY LIFETIME MOVIE EVER!
@TheSutraDude - So you’re saying that Ryan believes that rape is good? I’m saying that Ryan believes rape is a heinous crime worthy of grave consequences.
@TheSutraDude - I am speaking about the millions of children killed every day due to abortion. An American holocaust. Yes, Paul Ryan is a moron, but this does not justify such an injustice. Furthermore, the legalization of abortion supports sexual slavery because many of those girls are forced to get abortions. So, not only are you insinuating that a couple politicians’ idiotic opinion justifies genocide, but also rape itself and slavery.
@Semper_medusa - okay. thanks for the clarification. sexual slavery is an issue that should be addressed more strongly. unfortunately the desire for smaller government has led to a much diminished law enforcement. i am not pro abortion but i do not believe i or the government should tell a woman what to do with her body or which medical procedures she should or should not go through. that should be between her and her doctor and her family if she chooses to include them.
@PrisonerxOfxLove - No I’m not saying Ryan thinks rape is good. What Ryan and Akin believe and put into a bill is this: If a woman becomes pregnant due to a rape she was not really raped and her claim of having been raped is false.
@TheSutraDude - Should a woman have the choice to kill her toddler?
@TheSutraDude - Your assertion is ridiculous. Neither Ryan nor Akin think rape is good. It is heartening that the Democrat party is finally showing its true self.
Accusing opposition candidates of condoning rape is obviously bizarre.
@PrisonerxOfxLove - Debates are just theatrics — it’s a shame that the public doesn’t see that.
@PrisonerxOfxLove - I never asserted Ryan and Akin think rape is good. I asserted the opposite. What Ryan and Akin asserted is if a female becomes pregnant due to a rape she was not really raped. They have asserted that had she really been raped she could not in most cases have become pregnant. Their words and language.
@Semper_medusa - No and I already know what your next point will likely be. This is a debate that has gone on for decades. There are many sides to it. Many disagreements about at what point after conception a fertilized egg is considered to be a person. There are disagreements about the importance of the woman’s life should a pregnancy pose a threat to the woman’s life. There are disagreements over whether the government should be responsible for taking care of an unwanted child.
@Semper_medusa - Absolutely nothing. Just the conversation on here.
@slmret - BULL. He swallows everything the liberal biased media (propaganda machine) tells him and rejects everything the conservative biased media (propaganda machine)tells him. And then like a good little brainwashed serf, he parrots it everywhere. It is sickening.
@TheSutraDude - Ryan and Akin said no such thing. Where do you people come up with this stuff? And don’t link me so some Democrat wacko site. I want to hear Ryan and Akin with my own ears.
Of course you can’t because everything you’re saying is all made up.
@PrisonerxOfxLove - Your typical response is to ignore the world. I and many have heard them with our own ears and even FOX has reported on it. There are clips on youtube showing Akin stating their claim. Akin used as his justification that a doctor once told him a the female body has a way of shutting down when she is being raped so she cannot become pregnant. Other doctors say otherwise.
@TheSutraDude - Ryan is in trouble for stating that the method of conception does not affect the sanctity of life. There is nothing wrong with that statement. LINK TO WACKO DEMOCRAT SITE
But of course, the Democrats find scandal in virtue, hard work, fairness and sound reasoning.
@PrisonerxOfxLove - Anyone who has paid the least bit of attention would have heard about this over a period of several weeks up until two weeks ago when Akin hit the deadline after which he could not be replaced in his Senate race. Republicans tried and failed to get him to step down because he was making the party look bad. The Ryan/Akin bill originally used the term legitimate rape and claimed it is not a rape if the woman becomes pregnant. Their party asked them to soften the language. Everyone knows Ryan states the method of conception does not affect the sanctity of life. That is what he believes. What Ryan and Akin attempted to do was take away the right of a woman impregnated as the result of a rape to claim she was legally raped by saying if she was impregnated it could not have been rape and that is what Ryan and Akin got into trouble over.
@TheSutraDude - Do actually believe the convoluted mess you just wrote in your comment?
Reputable news organization don’t deal in convoluted messes. And neither do reasonable people.
telling that we have more misguided people… mankind is losing its humanity…
Clearly it was meant to be a joke, but it WAS in poor taste. College students aren’t always the most tactful of folk.
@PrisonerxOfxLove - Because you don’t want to believe it doesn’t make it convoluted or untrue. The Ryan/Akin legislation is on Congressional record. The legislation was a ruse to make it impossible and illegal for a woman to receive an abortion because the pregnancy was the result of a rape by stating if she is pregnant it could not have been rape. In other words, she wanted it.
@Semper_medusa - Saying that the legalization of abortion supports sexual slavery just because girls who are sex slaves are forced to get abortions makes no sense whatsoever… People who are forced into sexual slavery (which is um… illegal) will also most likely be forced to get abortions, regardless of whether or not it’s legal… clearly the people kidnapping girls and using them for sexual slavery do not care about the law. You could argue that it would make it easier for them, but how many owners of sex slaves do you think actually get professional abortions for their slaves? I can’t imagine they’d want to spend the time or money on someone that they consider property. I’m not downplaying the issue of sexual slavery, I just think it’s a ridiculously unfounded argument to make.
@TheSutraDude - You’ve just admitted that you’re concerned about unrestricted abortion. And you’re lying about Akin and Ryan concerning rape because the legislation is not about rape. It’s about abortion.
Convoluted means all mixed up. And that’s exactly what you’ve done with two issues, some lies and some very poorly written English.
@PrisonerxOfxLove - No. I’m not lying. Convolution is what Ryan and Akin created by inserting the issue of rape into their personage bill and by trying to redefine rape within the bill.
@PrisonerxOfxLove - And where did I admit I’m concerned about unrestricted abortion?
@TheSutraDude - This is you, in your own words, being concerned about unrestricted abortion:
The legislation was a ruse to make it impossible and illegal for a woman to receive an abortion
@TheyCallHerEcho88 - It makes it easier for them.
@TheSutraDude - If the woman’s life is in danger, it is an extenuating circumstance, and no, the government shouldn’t be involved. Rather we need to privatize the foster care system. That would solve a lot of problems.
@PrisonerxOfxLove - Here is my full sentence:
“The legislation was a ruse to make it impossible and illegal for a woman to receive an abortion because the pregnancy was the result of a rape by stating if she is pregnant it could not have been rape. In other words, she wanted it.”
Taking a partial sentence to try and twist its overriding meaning makes discussing anything with you a waste of time.
@Semper_medusa - I wonder though, where is the financial profit in raising kids? Who or what is going to support the salaries of employees and executives of a business that raises foster kids and would it be legal to force a business to take on new kids on any given day?
@TheSutraDude - Long or short, your sentence expresses your real concern: unrestricted abortion.
That is the real issue of importance to the Democrat Party and their latest tactic is to hallucinate a lie about rape and blame it on Ryan and Akin.
@TheSutraDude - It should be through the churches, and there ought NOT to be financial incentive for the families, that way it weeds out those that are using and abusing the children.
@PrisonerxOfxLove - Once again. There is no lie. There is no hallucination, your favorite excuse for not being able to argue a point. The Ryan/Akin bill redefined rape into forcible rape and not forcible rape, legitimate rape and not legitimate rape. It determined that it is impossible for a woman to become pregnant as the result of rape and therefore a pregnant woman was not raped. That is the issue. Rape, not abortion is what this blog is about. Have a good night. I’m not wasting another moment with someone with an agenda and no facts to back it up but only stupid accusations.
@Semper_medusa - That might be a better solution but I again wonder how churches are going to come up with the money. The cost is going to be the same no matter who raises the children. The question will also arise, can the government force churches to raise children. There would have to be full agreement to take full responsibility. If the money comes from the government and is given to churches, mosques, synagogues and temples there will be issues about religious indoctrination of the children under care that will surely arise.
@TheSutraDude - See, I think you are missing the point here. There is no funding. The church is acting as an avenue to connect children with families. The funds needed for this ought to come from donations. The FAMILIES then raise the children.
@Semper_medusa - Okay. As long as there are consistently enough donations it could work. It is certainly worth serious consideration.
wow..these people are adults in college..tsk…rape is something not to joke about at all..
@TheSutraDude - Here is another LINK to an article that explains the despicable Democrat Party tactic of trying to tie Romney/Ryan to Akin and trying to create a scandal where there is none.
The bill in question is from 2011, so it’s obvious that trying to make an issue of it now is just a sham, because guess what the name of the bill is: The No Taxpayer Funding for Abortion Act
The bottom line is that 171 congressman co-sponsored the bill and that the bill narrowed the definition of rape in order to make it more difficult to have a publicly funded abortion.
Policy differences between Democrats and Republicans are natural, but the Democrat habit of demonizing and scandalizing policy differences is thuggish, Bolshevik behavior unbecoming of a constitutional republic like the United States.
this looks more like a joke, but still… went a bit over board.
I’m just curious what else is on the walls at the university.
The comments seem to have lost the point of the original blog.
@Celestial_Teapot – I think you’re speaking more about freedom of speech as a concept than what freedom of speech actually means within the United States– which wouldn’t be a problem were you not citing the First Amendment and warranting your argument with the fact that it takes place in the United States. The First Amendment does not protect literally all speech.
Your first bullet point asserting that this is a university (thanks, I didn’t catch that on my own) is actually why this flyer isn’t protected by the First Amendment. The Supreme Court ruled in 1988 that “schools have discretion to curtail not only obscene speech, but speech that is vulgar, lewd, indecent or plainly offensive.”
In public universities, parks, walkways, streets, etc. are considered public forums. However, as you pointed out, this was in a bathroom of a resident hall, where the school’s jurisdiction applies. Most universities have policies in their dorms that prohibit hanging hateful posters and signs in public areas.
# 1 way to get away with rape: vote repubican. (not a typo)
@Semper_medusa - Did you even read all of what I wrote?
@ghchiu - (not funny either) hopefully you were making a lame attempt at being sarcastic…
Only a man would think this is funny.
@TheyCallHerEcho88 - Yes I did. Just because they will do it no matter what, doesn’t mean that we should make it easier for them.
I believe that if they were to find out who posted this flyer, that they should expelled this person from school.
@MommaFish89 - If it was a joke, it would of been posted in the women’s restroom. The danger is to think it is only a joke. The person posted it because they were hoping the poster would be found by other sick individuals like them to make there life of crime easier. The danger is society is to be ignorant of the fact that some people actually act upon the thoughts that Satan plant in their mind.
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