February 19, 2013

  • When God Is Silent

    It is only two days and it will be the 10 year anniversary of the worse day of my life.

    It was a simple day.  It did not feel any different than any other day.  I came home after taking one of my son’s to chess club.  And then it happened.
    There was nothing but complete darkness in my life.  My whole world changed in one moment.
    I must admit I had spent a great deal of my life doing what I thought was right.  I helped the homeless.  I spent time with people that were dying.  I started reading my Bible when I was 12.  I read it every night.  I went to church three times a week.  I prayed for hours and hours each week.  I memorized scripture. I fasted going sometimes a few days with no food and just praying.
    I felt God spoke to me.  I felt He guided every step of my life.
    And then it happened ten years ago.  I prayed to God because that was my instinct.  I trusted God would help me. And then I heard nothing.  It was like all of a sudden God was no longer listening to my prayers.  I did not walk away from the faith.  I did not stop trusting in God.  I just felt at one point or another that I was going through a stage where I would not hear the voice of God.
    It has been almost 10 years.  I still look back at that day and wonder why God did not help me.  I prayed in faith.  I believed.  I was almost naive in my understanding.  The thing I was praying for was good and not evil.  
    So why was God silent?  I am not sure.  This is why I rarely provide answers to people in need.  I just hold their hand and cry with them.  I sometimes wonder what grand lesson I was supposed to learn from the situation.  I did not learn one.  After ten years, I can’t understand what the lesson should have been.
    So instead I just understand it as the silence of God.
                                                                                                            

Comments (75)

  • My list of things that I don’t understand why, is really REALLY long. That is why my favorite hymn is “Farther Along”. 

  • BTW, the 10 year anniversary of the single worst day of my life is coming up this year too. In March. 

  • Going through a bit of that right now myself.   God is not only silent, it feels like he is slapping me in the face.

  • this is by far my favorite post that you have ever written, dan.

  • I do not understand God at all so I have no answer to this question.  My sister was the most beautiful, kind, loving person in the world and she lost her battle with cancer June2 of this year.  Yet the guy who raped his kids is still alive.  Where is the justice in that?

  • Why couldn’t it have been the silence of you?

    Why does God always get the blame?

  • Thanks for sharing, Dan. We appreciate that.

    My experience is different since I am not very spiritual. I somehow just assume how behind the scenes using what comes my way to develop my character.  I have seen a few direct wonderful answers to prayer–but, seldom. He has done some amazing things for me without me even thinking about it or asking. I have also been in the hospital a number of times and almost died the last time. No one expected me to walk out, but I did.

    I don’t know. I have never been close to God as many describe it here in Xanga. I just know He is there and working behind the scenes.

    blessings

    frank

  • …Do you ever hear him anymore?

    I know how this feels. I know you know that.

  • This is why I rarely provide answers to people in need.  I just hold their hand and cry with them.

    This is the lesson you learned. Sometimes empathy is best expressed in silence.

  • “I just hold their hand and cry with them. I sometimes wonder what grand lesson I was supposed to learn from the situation.”

    Perhaps this should be written as, “I sometimes wonder what grand lesson I was supposed to learn from the situation. [Now] I just hold their hand and cry with them.”

    What grander lesson than that?

  • Maybe you hear nothing… because nothing is there. 

    It’s scary. I know. I was scared, too. But like a lot of scary things, it can be exhilarating, if you approach it from the right perspective

    You’ll be alright. :)

  • This is by far one of your better posts, Dan.

    Sometimes I think it is in the silence when we most notice just how much we truly need God in our lives. It’s easy to get caught up in other things and put him on the back burner.

  • I suppose it is something that I have never had to deal with.

  • I have never experienced this “hearing God speak” phenomenon. Always it has been gentle nudges, signs and “coincidences” which let me know which direction to go in. I am sorry to hear that you are no longer experiencing God in the way you used to, but perhaps it is time to learn a new way to communicate with Him.

  • god’s silence is very loud. i know. after the breakup of me and xxxxx, i begged and begged god to send an angel or talk to me in any way. a few weeks ago, i had massive attacks from depression and i actually screamed and begged god to be there for me. to help me, to just BE REAL. i got nothing except the choice of either losing my faith a little – or cementing my belief and trust in him. i chose wisely. he was there all the time, loving me, crying with me, but yet as any good father would do, he was letting me learn my lesson. i was not alone even though i felt like it. in your case, what did you learn? “I just hold their hand and cry with them.” god’s silence was pretty loud after all.

  • I’m not going to disrespect your beliefs or anyone else, but I am an agnostic. I have never felt the presence of God, even when I tried, many, many times. I don’t think I believe in a higher power, but I think everything is connected, as we see in nature, and the mathematics and physics of nature, but is that a divine being? I don’t know and I have no way of knowing, because as I said, I’ve never felt that presence. I wonder if religion is all in people’s minds.

  • It might have been a test. Like Job. Same thing happened to me but I was hospitalized and labeled psychotic by the medical professionals. One of the worst experiences of my life.

  • probably dont want to hear what he has to say. maybe he doesnt have anything to say. but the bible says he never leaves you. sometimes just not leaving is good company.

  • Well, God is a man…

    My grandmother taught me you can be mad at God, just don’t stop believing in him.

  • Evaluating what it seems that God does and does not touch in existence’ will be a trying exercise. If you will examine the situation that you went through ten years ago, you might find that what you went through is exactly what you needed to go through in order to become who you are today.
     Had things not developed the way they had you might not be as insightful and charming as you are right at this moment. As for God’s help in coping with what happened to you. I think that the same idea might apply. It’s up to you to decide how much and how hardcore you are going to live. You are very intelligent and I invite you to continue to ponder this query in your life. It is well worth your time.I’m sorry if my words seem cluttered! I try to refrain from offering assistance because I know it is hard to convey existential ideas without sounding cuckoo. Plus I trust that what happens in this life is exactly what happens and we can’t change that, except to try and be the best people we can, treating other forms of life with respect and acting like we’re half capable beings.
    Did you ever see the original Poseidon Adventure with Gene Hackmen? He says ” Do not be the sheep awaiting slaughter, praying on your knees for salvation. Get up off of your god damnned knees and fight for your lives! God helps those who help themselves! If you put forth the effort to live God will handle the luck part.” 
    That’s terribly quoted I know.. but maybe that helps? Do not think of God’s Silence as abandonment. Think of it logically, God knows that you’re fully capable of kicking ass and being a badass in this life and expects you to follow through with what is written on your heart. Your real purpose is in you already buried under all the doubt, questions and fantasies. There is no need for God to tell you what you already know! 

  • Most all of what I do every day is defined for me. What more might I want from God? Life is easy when I act in a wholesome manner. Things happen though. For instance, my mother has a cognitive disorder. She’s a lovely wholesome person. She’s 82. Her prognosis for communicating with others is not good. She is often unable to “find” words and it is getting more difficult for her. The disease may progress to a point when she won’t be able to speak with anyone and she will perhaps also not be able to write coherent messages. Long after becoming unable to speak or write messages, she will still understand others. I was devastated as I realized that she’ll be alone in her head. She works to maintain her ability to communicate using daily activities that may stave off the progress of her disease. My father died a few years ago. He had a different cognitive disorder that affected his memory. He knew about his confusion, unlike with advance Alzheimer disorder, as his disease was advanced, he was aware that he couldn’t remember things. He just didn’t know what facts were missing. He was almost 86. He was healthy enough to take care of his own basic needs until a few weeks before he died. He became always confused for about four months before his death. I may inherit one or both of my parent’s cognitive disorders. 

    I never learned that God rescues us from life’s problems. In fact, I learned that this life is going to include pain. I was told that there is a better life that depends on a plan that I won’t be able to fully understand. I was told to pray that I would always be willing to do what is right. I was schooled to pray for my basic needs to be met and for forgiveness. I was taught that every person is imperfect and that no matter what my brain tells me that I am imperfect and that I will always require God’s forgiveness for as long as I am alive on this Earth. I learned that if I judge others that I will be judged. I came to see after some time that this is as it is. I may rebel if I choose to do so. I may claim to be a victim if I choose to do so. I may curse others if I choose to do so. I’ve done all of those things. I did not receive any pleasure from those rebellious actions. Occasionally, I felt some temporary pleasure, but that faded usually very quickly away as I began to see that I was acting for instance in a superior manner. I learned from this rebelliousness that I am always in some ways fallible and weak. I’d somehow been mistakenly thinking that I was smart, just and right. I liked believing that I was smart, just and right. It took me a long time to learn to follow directions. Life began too be much easier. I am somewhat smart, just and right. I say what’s on my mind. Sometimes I don’t know what is smart, just and right. Then, I say so since that is what is actually true. Occasionally I get this wrong, but not so often anymore. I listen and I act in authority when it is given to me. Sometimes I get this wrong too. Otherwise, if wrong, or if unsure, I know that I am to await in humility directions from an authority.

    I learned that some people don’t believe in God. It took me a bit of studying to see that this isn’t my problem. In fact, if someone chooses not to believe in God, I learned that they may still prefer wholesome honest truth from me. This makes it easy for me to get along with an atheist. I have nothing to prove about my beliefs. I noticed that it is sometimes more difficult to converse with a Christian. I don’t worry about that anymore. 

    I learned that I need God. I learned that I need other people. I learned to do my work. I learned to raise my children. I learned to value people by what works that they do. I learned that if I ask God for good things for myself and others that I need to look for good things in myself and others. I learned that I can be fooled for a time. So, I learned that I must be diligent in my seeking of good about myself and others. The more carefully I look for good, the more good that I see. I learned that if I think I see wrong, that it is usually good to say something like: “That seems wrong to me.” I notice that it is good usually to wait before I say more. If I’m not asked to explain, I’ve noticed it is usually best to leave it alone. Sometimes I do this some other way and usually I regret doing so. I learned that I am not effective or right or smart and just with everybody. Some people are more difficult for me to converse with. I am learning to be helpful to the most difficult people that I meet or know but that sometimes the best help is to stand back and just say something like: “I’ll help you if you want me.” I am learning to leave it alone if people don’t want my help. I am learning that I will never know enough. 

    These are the answers to my prayers. If I ask God for a miracle, I believe that He will give it to me. I believe this because I am the miracle that He made from the arrogant fool that I once was. I was not capable to do that on my own. 

    I have no idea why God would seem to not give to you what you pray for. I hope that you will be a caring and wholesome person while this is going on. 

    Thanks for writing a good post. I got to put into words what usually I don’t take time to consider. I’ve gotten more than my share of God’s grace and mercy.

  • I’m sorry you went through this, and anniversaries can be painful reminders.

  • @Grannys_Place - The justice will come in the after life if not sometime in this life.

    @crazy2love - I had an atheist friend who explained to me that after some time they realized that they did in fact feel the presence of God. They simply didn’t know how to understand it. They realized after some time that it was liken to a conscience. That thing that guided them away from doing something that they really wanted to do, and yet the reasonable presence was the holy spirit. They also claimed to have felt Him in situations that were horrifying. A death in the family, a car accident, what have you. They realized that comfort, and such things came from God. Regarding nature there is a scripture that concludes that inside man knows that there is a creator because when they look at the world and truly see it, they know that the things that were created could not have been created on accident. It must surely have been with a purpose and from a creator. Some people argue evolution. My stance is that even if evolution were provable which it’s not in it’s full extent, there is nothing that says that the God of the universe didn’t use things like adaptation, and even things in the universe to mold our universe. 

  • One of the things I discovered the hard way was that God turns a deaf ear to things that were never meant to be. How I prayed many times for certain things but got the opposite. It’s not that He doesn’t listen; He just chooses what should be given to us to achieve our purposes in life. 

  • It is a humbling thing to hear from God………..he was silent with me when I spiraled into mental illness and beyond…….for three years I just had to have faith he knew and was working on it.  My life now is something I never thought I would have, much less deserve……..sometimes the silence of God is a test of your faith.

  • I would say you should consider the possibility that God is not there. But that may be something you would be unwilling or unable to learn even if it were true. There is always something to be learned from any experience, if we have learned nothing then the fault is probably with ourselves.

    I’ve also read somewhere that people think their prayers go unheard or answered, but that’s not true. It’s just that most days, God answers ‘No.’

    I don’t know myself whether God is there or not. I don’t see how that impacts what kind of person I want to be or how I want to conduct myself.

  • If that almost universal experience is the worst day ofyour life, you’ve had it pretty easy.

  • Silence can speak volumes………

  • Maybe we’ll never understand why certain things just happen 

  • I missed God, though i felt like He’s always here for me.. 

  • it was almost 10 years ago and you are still here. you have a good life (seems like).  seems to me that you had what you needed within you to overcome what happened.  the most comforting thing i ever learned about god came from a door-to-door religious salesperson(jehovah’s witness, i think)- that god doesn’t MAKE the bad things happen to us.
    he doesn’t talk to me and i don’t talk to him.  but that doesn’t mean he isn’t there and watching.

  • my worst day ten year anniversary is coming up April 13… 

    @saintvi - I’ve never recommended a comment before…but this one needed it.

  • that is odd isn’t it?

    Well, back in Nov 1987 God talked to me when I cried out and said,”my life is a mess; nothing has turned out the way I wanted it to.”

    God talked to me and said,”it turned out exactly the way I planned it.” I said,”well, good for you but….then I realized that I was argueing with God and I felt a light lifted off me and a warmth surrounded me as if I were a baby in my mother’s arms.

    Now he just talks to me through other people and nature but like the little boy with a kite so high that you cannot see it anymore;the little boy said,”I know it’s still up there cause I feel the tug of it,mister.”

  • Everyone wants to feel the presense of God or sense a voice from God.  And while that is something I would personally love to experience, that is not my expectation of God.  I do not find in Scripture anywhere that the normative experience is to sense God or that any but a few select prophets will hear a voice from God. 

    Therefore, my only source for receiving a word from God is my Bible.  If I understand what I read, it is the Holy Spirit making my spirit to understand that which is spiritual.  That has to be sufficient for me for my life on this earth.

    http://craigwbooth.xanga.com/724889918/knowing-god%E2%80%99s-will-in-advance-the-have%E2%80%99s-and-the-have-not%E2%80%99s/

  • I wish I knew how to help, but like you said, sometimes you just gotta hold their hand and let them cry because there’s nothing else to say

  • Silence is God’s way of saying that He is working behind the scenes for your ultimate glory in His story!

  • These are my least favorite seasons =/

  • You wonder why God does not answer your prayers? People make the mistake of assuming that there is only one God listening to prayers when, in fact, there are thousands of gods . If we really want the God of the Bible to listen to us, we must address Him by His name, Jehovah – to be sure of getting His attention. If we continue to pray to a generic god, there is no telling who is listening to us. But one thing we can be sure of – if we ignore Jehovah – He ignores us in return. 

  • People hearing voices are described as having psychotic episodes.

  • …His silence doesn’t mean He is vacant from your life, only that He is walking with you quietly…

    I liked that sentence “Gods silence is loud”… that is true…and I like what hunt said… Profound.

    …He loves you… (((hugs)))

  • Matt Rogers…an assistant pastor in church somewhere in the United States…jusst wrote a book called Finding God in Darkness (or something along that lines) which deals I believe with what you went through and I have not read the book yet but I plan too so its on order and I will read it when it arrives in the mail…it might help answer your question.

    When Jesus was hanging from the cross…he had the same type situation to confront remember “Eli,Eli why have you forsaken me?” He does it to all of usand I think its a test that helps up build character.
    Since God knows all…Maybe He/She just not to interfere with your God given right to Free Will…and was encouraging you to make your choice in life. I believe that God does not always interfere with human for reasons that we will not understand until we die.

  • Too bad I don’t believe in a God

  • James had some things to say about unanswered prayer. I’m surprise that no one asked what happened that day… what was it that you were praying for or trying to get God to change? Your profile says that you are a Southern Baptist. To me that means that you are born again and have the Spirit of God. As Christians, we realize that God is Sovereign and nothing can enter our lives without His permission. The prayer of faith always gets results. If you did not get results, you didn’t pray the prayer of faith; it may be because it wasn’t possible to do so. As James wrote, sometimes we “pray amiss.”

  • @tendollar4ways - I couldn’t help but chuckle.  

  • It’s not that I think God stopped listening to me. I just feel I crossed a line and no longer deserve His answers. And yet, if it is important enough, say life and death important, He has still answered. So it is hard for me to not believe, even though I stopped going to church and have started outwardly opposing the opinions of friends that believe America is a Christian nation. 

    But I want to believe He’s still there. I don’t deserve anything, but I believe He watches over me. And if some part of me still believes that, then I can believe He watches you, too. I hope that one of these days, He gives you that sign that He’s there. It won’t undo the pain in your past, but it may ease the pain in your future.

    Coincidentally, I have a really good friend that I met here in Xanga. Totally turned his back on God, faith, the whole ball of wax. He was in a dark place when we became friends. And somewhere in the past year or so, he found his way back. I am happy for him and his new happiness. He deserves it. And yet a part of me (a very selfish part) misses that person who understood where I was at. Maybe he still does. But I would never say that to him, cause I want him to be happy, and would never want to be that person that makes someone question their faith. I feel like if I crossed that line, then God really would turn His back on me.

    Great post.

  • god is the conspiracy of the devil 

  • One day, we will be able to ask Him questions….when we see him face to face.  Until then…faith is not faith without a test, right?  And we cannot fully TRUST HIM if we always know the why’s….I am facing a similar situation.  God Bless! 

  • I had a time like that too.  When the will of another human being is involved, God won’t force them.  He just grieves with you.  Sometimes, that is the only answer He has for us.

  • @mtngirlsouth - My single worst day is in March too. For me, it will be 5 years this year. 

  • Maybe he wasn’t silent, maybe you just refused to hear Him saying “No”.
    SUMR

  • @mtngirlsouth - Thank you. I’m sorry about yours too. 

  • Well…. my first reaction was….

    what the heck happened 10 years ago that you still aren’t really talking about even today?

    After that, every other question I could form is merely superfluous.

  • wow, my subscription email (with this post embedded) arrived while I was watching this debate http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oahx0hILFKg

  • @hysterical_paranoia - LOL your comment paired with your profile pic. Epic :D

  • I don’t mean to be insensitive, but why did I just read a story that didn’t even have a story in it. Everyone else is wondering what you are talking about and it is like the ending to a movie where you don’t know if the good guy lived or died. It just makes you wish you never watched the movie in the first place. Something as simple as it was a medical condition and I got over it .. or a family member died etc.. doesn’t have to be detail but why tell a story only to leave everyone who reads it wondering why they bothered?

  • Love the song with the lines: “I don’t know what You’re doing.  But I know who you are.”

    That’s what I hold onto when prayers go unanswered. 

  • @PlatotheSmurf - hahaha…. I agree……why does God have to be… well i’m an atheist so… i’m bias =P

  • @Brian_Jeremiah - my thoughts exactly….

    So wait Mr.Theologianscafe… what WAS the worst day of your life?

  • respect bossman!

  • “The silence of a god” is man’s ultimate rationalization for belief in an anthropomorphic god.  

  • @Midnight_Masochist - you ought to find a way to talk about this line you crossed. The line is insignificant to God. we are but a blink of an eye in the billions and billions of years that are a drop into the ocean of eternity.

  • God was silent for over 500 years between the books of Malachi and Matthew. He didn’t speak, didn’t choose prophets – nuthin’. God can be cosmically passive-aggressive. And for some reason, we feel entitled to his attention. “Look God, I’m praying. Look God, I’m fasting. Look at me, God, I can twirl. See me twirl, God, look.”

    The Psalmists cried out for God. They pleaded with Him. Daily they sought him. Fervent, tear-ridden, prostrate. These days, followers sort of haphazardly throw God the deuces or give him a shout out at an award ceremony. But for the most part, we live as though he didn’t exist.
    I say keep crying out.

  • maybe god’s silence WAS god helping you.    

  • also, if today you still don’t know the lesson, perhaps you are relying too heavily on your faith in god.. you are looking for answers in the wrong places.  you need to search your soul for the answers.  

    not everything can be handed to you, dan.  you need to do some of the work yourself.  :) 

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