April 21, 2013
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Born Evil
I am of the belief that some people are just born evil. I know. The Christian faith teaches that we are born into sin. But that is not what I am talking about. I am saying there are certain people that are just bad.
They murder. They hurt. The do things without regard to how it hurts others. The Boston Marathon is just one example of this.Do you think some people are born evil?
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No.
No.
Whether or not someone was ‘born evil’, Christianity also teaches that Christ came to redeem everyone. John 3:16 “For God so loved the world that He sent His only begotten son that whosoever believeth in him shall have eternal life.”
Perhaps. But what was he taught growing up? I’m not saying it was the parents’ fault…but what culture, what set of beliefs?
That said, not everyone raised in the same setting is going to do evil things. I think there is just evil in the world….not necessarily mental illness, either…just evil.
No…..its there choice to be evil!
I think some people just have really bad childhoods and grow up bad.
yes
yurp, pretty sure i was born evil.
There are ideas that, by their nature, are born evil.
For their inevitable corruption, extremism, and disconnection with reality religion is evil. Were it not for Islam, the Tsarnaev brothers probably wouldn’t have set out to maim and kill at the Boston Marathon. Were it not for Christianity, large segments of our country would not be dead set against civil rights for gays and lesbians.
Yes and No. Many sociopaths/psychopaths are born without the ability to empathize with others. Their inability to be able to identify with the pain of others can cause them to do horrific things to others without having any concerns about it. Many doctors are along the lines of thinking that it is a neurological disorder. There are many cases of child psychopaths but because young children’s behavior can be so erratic, it is hard to determine how early it begins.
Here’s an interesting story about that type of thing.
I don’t know if one can label that as evil or a disorder. Their actions may be evil but are they purposefully being evil?
In other cases, some willingly choose to hurt others based on various reasons which they developed as adults, that may or may not have been affected by a rough childhood.
No. Look into Lonnie Athens’ violentization theory.
Evil is subjective.
Yes.
I absolutely do.
I know some kids who were TERRORS the moment that I first met them… young as could be.
No compassion, no kindness.
I think some people are born with a predisposition towards certain things, like violence, but not that they are born evil. I think people are inherently good as well as selfish, though.
Depends on what you would classify as “evil.” Humans call evil whatever seems to impede the survival of our species. In that sense, yes. Some people are born with psychological disorders that makes them more prone to murder, theft, and general disregard of others.
Yes
A parenting book I read postulated the theory that ALL children are born sociopaths, and that it is the responsibility of the parents and other family members to “rehabilitate” their kids into becoming upstanding moral citizens.
While I’m not sure that the reality is that extreme, I do subscribe to the belief that we are all born sinful and need God’s redeeming grace. Perhaps some people are just more likely to spiral downward? I don’t really know.
Not exactly. People are born psychopaths, their brain function is fundamentally different. The same way someone with Autism or Asbergers thinks and feels different than ‘normal’ people.
A surprisingly large portion of the population tests positive for psychopathy or psycho/sociopathic traits. Including myself. That doesn’t make us all doomed to lives of terror and mayhem. We’re just a bit more predisposed to it. *shrug*
They made a choice. They weren’t forced into it. And born predisposed or not, it still takes a certain amount of conditioning and triggers to achieve a situation like the Boston Marathon.
I think people are born amoral and are shaped by their upbringing, culture, religion, education and experience.
@TheTheologiansCafe – no, there are many factors that influences a human behavior, their religion, culture, environment and life’s experiences that molded them to the person they are today.
I believe humans are all bad by nature and only few go against it.
There are psychopaths and sociopaths, whose brain chemistry is out of whack, from the moment of conception. Tsarnaev doesn’t strike me as one of those, but he has been set on a course of destructiveness towards self and others, and needs to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.
we’re generalizing here so.. not exactly.. i do believe that a demon can take human form and/or posses a human being. so perhaps it is possible that a person could be possessed from birth. i think that the natural state of a person at birth is a blank slate for the most part.. i think that we are born with personalities and leanings. but not purely evil personalities. its a gray area really, and there is no clear cut answer.
I don’t think people are born evil, but they just grow up to be fucked in the head. Can’t believe this happened and I pray for the families.
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I don’t think anyone is born evil, but rather everyone is born with the potential for evil.
I’ve never in my life heard of a baby doing something evil so what, Dan, do they just bide their time until they are smarter and stronger and more capable of doing evil things more dastardly than crying in church, spitting up on nice dresses, and tugging on mommy’s hair and earrings? And what of those people who have done incredible good in this world; were they born evil and somehow became good?
I like C.S. Lewis’ take on this: the greater good something is, the greater evil it could potentially become. This is especially true of angels and people!
No.
Yes. While I believe that nature and nurture go hand in hand, there are people who are born psychopaths- they’re born without the ability to empathize. Sociopaths are made- they are shaped by their environment moreso.
I think Dr. Michael Stone had a good understanding of evil. You might wanna look into some of his studies.
The concept of good and evil is man made. Without rules there wouldn’t be sides.
there is a little something called institutionalized insanity
No.
I believe it all depends on one’s upbringing.
No. And while those boys may have done something evil I don’t think they themselves were evil. They were foreigners who subscribed to an unpopular religion and were living in the most racist city in the America. After ten years in this country they still hadn’t found any significant level of acceptance by their peers. Boston is a cold, cold place and not just the weather. The people are angry and hateful and they certainly don’t like outsiders. If you ain’t Irish and Catholic you’re treated like dog shit. If you’re Muslim then just forget about it (that’s probably even worse than being black up there). These were boys with promising futures who had their spirits broken, their souls crushed, and they weren’t tough enough to overcome it. Born evil – no. They were sensitive lads pushed into what they felt to be a desperate situation and, consequently, they did something desperate. Instead of demonizing them, let us look at our own actions that made them do what they did.
No. I do believe you can be influenced by evil, however. In this case, I don’t believe the Boston bombers were inherently evil. From the testimonies of their neighbors and family, it seemed like they were normal kids but something went wrong. Something turned them, so hopefully this FBI investigation will unravel that.
@SKANLYN - Being unaccepted in a society does NOT equate to fostering terrorist feelings. I’m an Asian American girl who grew up in suburban Philadelphia Catholic School. I was neither Catholic or white. Do you think I felt accepted growing up? No. Do I still feel accepted in school with a 70% white student body? Hardly. Do I hold grudges and wish to bomb them? Absolutely not. It’s a huge jump of conclusion to think that these brothers became terrorists because they didn’t feel like they fit in.
@the_imperfect - You are stronger than they were. Be grateful. You’re lucky enough to have a chance at the future they’ll never have.
hell yea. there is no help for sociopaths or psychopaths.
@DanniDarkness - Speak. Troll. Who are you?
This is a most horrible though, one which can make your frontal lobe deny that the base of the brain controls our most vital functions, and all the gizmos which controls; “Am I awake; Am I asleep,” want to scream out that it is impossible for an evil brain part to exist — ” Certainly not me,” screams the little know sella turcica, and the parietal lobes just sit and spin.
I saw a horrid television show about this where when they have done scans of the brains of people who are known to be psychopathic, that with certain pictures depicting good and evil events that almost, to the person, the psychopaths compared with the control group did, indeed have a section of the brain which would light up more actively with evil. Others must have seen this as well, and when they have autopsied the brains of murderers, your non emotional, planned out sort of person, the one you would not have wanted to have an after party drink with — Again, they would find this area to be enlarged, so even from science, we have a clue that people can be born with the propensity to do evil, if we examine the message from these test
Biblically speaking, both the Old and the New Testament speak of demons, evil in which we should not delve too far in is noted to be avoided, and these were long before the days anyone was tinkering with the medulla oblongata, and the pons differens, and all you real biology folks; Give me a break for spelling, for just thinking of all these words gives me a headache. Was the person born this way, or was there an environmental cause for 8 of 10 dangerous people to have parts of their brain thrilled over something evil? If we could measure such things before birth, could the outcome be changed with environment, and a child loved from the moment of birth, and given all they need with love and safety being tops on the list, then if all they have known is love and admiration. Will this make the science disappear? I look at the Scot Peterson’s and think; No way, and we have all known people who were just social manipulators to the point of embarrassment, so I am leaning toward believing that evil exist.
I am Catholic, and exorcism is among the most secretive, kept out of public scrutiny issues of the church. Only the highest trained priest can go to this level, and having personal friends as priest — I know that the ritual is ancient, but in extreme cases of what appear to be demonic possession, then it can be done. Sadly, there was recently a priest who was about as good as it gets in so far as a preacher teacher, and I was sad to miss him when he spoke at Xaviour University. A few weeks later it would be learned that he had a child, was using cocaine, driving sports cars and living a super wealthy life off of poor donors, and he preached about being in exorcisms. He was a loss to us, for Priest are so often scholars and lousy ministers. The things he was doing were all things which he did before he became our world evangelist, but he was the master of deceit, so what was to come of his evil, and anyone who believed he could cast out demons was probably laughing out loud.
I see evil as a severe wanting, a deficit of humanity, and true evil to lead to death and despair. I believe this from science and from religion. The ones who get caught are extreme cases, while the others just enjoy seeing other people in pain, psychologically, spiritually, or physically. Parents need to know early signs of children who are showing maladaptive behaviors, for early on we can influence the development of a child’s brain. I think children to be aware of show early signs of anger, frustration, and rage. Mutilation of animals is a sign you are waiting too late, and being able to separate what is being a leader from a brat bully is important. No matter, some are going to slip through, with over inflated egos, charm, never to blame for anything, and most can lie so well that being on stage would be no challenge for them.
I have learned from my own children that one you trust most can also hurt you the most with no regard for how much love you have given to that child. It is very hard for us as parents to accept that we do not know our children, but I had been warned this would be the child which would inflict pain, though I felt she was endeavoring to make her twin’s life better when she left her out, broke her heart, and would not even be in her sister’s wedding. Everyone saw it but me that this child did things, not so mech for love, as to get her way. All children are so different, but I have grown older, and only in growing older have I seen that we sometimes need to protect ourselves from hurt. This is all fearful to me, and it should be of concern in our society.
Misguided children may need to find their way as do abused children. In “Pinkhoneysuckle,” I wrote about the kind of brutality we faced as children on the farms of Southern Appalachia, for from birth on, they were going to whip the evil out of us, and to forgive my folks which I did as they grew older, I knew they were a product of the same kind of people, and they did use the term, “Beating the devil out of us,” and we each obeyed out of fear, not out of love, but most of us were good parents.
Who could knowingly give birth if some text was devised which stated, “You can have this baby, but the series of test we have of brain size and scan and certain blood samples tell us that this child is about to be evil, apt to have a tendency to kill, will loath and hate most people, and has the same body chemistry of all the classic murderers of our time. Someday, in the future such a test is coming, and even as a Catholic, I would be hard pressed were I a young person to ask God, “Why me?” I would also have to think of terminating the pregnancy, for who could in good conscience give birth to a child who,, in the womb had all of the characteristics and chemistry of mass murderers. I am not able to call out demons, and I believe that we would be forgiven by our creator; For God is Good and Life, and Evil is the antithesis. I feel so sad to hear that truth of myself. In your childbearing years, all who are young today; You may be among the first who is given the knowledge to make such a decision, so I pray simply for mercy.
Blessings, Barbara Everett Heintz, “Pinkhoneysuckle,” the book on Amazon, Kindle, Create Space
Evil is subjective. No one is “born” into a subjective thing. They may be born without the mental or chemical capacity to care for others, but this doesn’t make someone evil. Furthermore, basing ideas of “evil” on a religious standard is just kind of silly, because to extremist Muslims, Christians are evil, as I am sure many extremist Christians believe Muslims to be.
To be honest, I tire of your posts. You are a blogger here on Xanga that most of us pay attention to, and I think that you should be more careful, more respectful, more thoughtful, and more responsible with your choice of confrontation to encourage readership and secure your popularity.
@theotherside@datingish - I agree. Some don’t have the physical mechanisms to know better. Sympathy/empathy can be understood and applied, but to truly have it is very different. Others do not have such a deficiency, but choose to do bad things intentionally. A combination of nature and nurture. I am more of the belief that a lot of things are more heavily weighted on the nature side, but that does not mean it can be used as an excuse.
People are not born evil. A baby is as innocent as another baby. Evil is cultivated by that persons environment.
Good and evil are human perceptions defined within a cultural context…therefore people can not be born as good or evil…they are just born as human beings. It is how they interact with the culture of their time that will define good or evil. What is good for the one might be evil to another.
I don’t think there’s a single newborn baby that is evil. No one, upon birth, knows right from wrong, good vs bad, up from down, or left from right. They learn it as they grow.
I don’t know this guy’s history, what made him who he is today, or why he may or may not have done what he may or may not have done.
I DO know that what happened in Boston was awful. I DO know that this man is a suspect and, as such, is innocent until proven guilty by a court of law. I DO believe that the lockdown of Boston and the armed military entry into homes (without warrants) is more than disconcerting…it was a suspension of the rights of the people…and they were okay with it…and that’s what bothers me.
I was born handsome and that led me into all sorts of bad things.
I do not believe we are born with a kind, loving character. If we as babies would let momma sleep at night, then I would change my opinion. Instead, we weep and gnash gums at 3:22:56 and wake her up. And then we do it again at 5:56:03, and care not the alarm was set for 6:00am. We are born terrorists. It is hoped that as we mature our characters will change, and apply the lessons of right and wrong that our parents teach us. Some kids are just stubborn and selfish and never grow out of it. They do not learn or at least wish to apply the lessons of growing into adulthood and behaving within the guidelines of community standards regarding the law. And they reject outright the idea that there are no moral absolutes. In the end they lose everything.
is the question is basically: do some people born with no chance of choosing good or bad, heaven or hell, and basically is doomed to hell from the get go?
nope, i don’t believe so…
oh yeah, i don’t believe human are born with sin too… in my belief, all human are born pure without sin…
Being born evil is impossible. Being born mentally ill is what happens.
To think you have an all loving father who lets his kids interact with evil is plainly an incorrect interpretation of what love is. It not only is not logical, as I know you do not let your kids pick playmates from the people as they are being released from prison, but it defies the foundation of the definition of a Good Shepard.
We as humans need to think there is raw evil running around to help us rationalize our own human stupidity. But it is an illness, not a spiritual thing.
I have never been able to figure that out.
We as part of this human race faces text each and every moment of our life.
A simple test was given to Adam and Eve to see whether they would IN THEIR FREEDOM obey the Lord. It was in a sense a time of probation for these free creatures. Freedom means just that, freedom, and they had to prove that they would do the right thing with the freedom given them.
It’s interesting that the tree was of both good and evil
God obviously, didn’t want to keep Adam and Eve from good. Indeed, the whole world God had created, including them, was good, even “very good Genesis 1:31 It was from the knowledge of evil that the Lord wanted to spare them.
Each moment of of our life give us freedom of Choice to choose right and born..We are born into something, without letting it be in us
In Psalm 51: 5 Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me.
6 Behold, thou desirest truth in the inward parts: and in the hidden part thou shalt make me to know wisdom.
A recognition of the human tendency toward evil since Adam and Eve chose to follow Satan
The teaching that we are born into sin means we are all capable of those things. I know I am. It’s God’s grace that I’m not the Boston bomber. I believe that’s true of all of us. We all have the same potential for evil inside us.
Absolutely. The brain of a serial killer fascinates me, and most times there is an underlying cause, whether it be abuse, or a head injury, or a chemical imbalance, whatever. But sometimes people are just… born bad. They grow up in well balanced homes, with good parents, and somehow still end up bad. What other explanation is there?
My guess is, somewhere in the brain, something is wired wrong and as a result, the brain can’t balance instinct with a conscience. Humans may not even realize it, but we’re all wired with an instinct to kill, but we often associate it with anger and more rational emotions because we have a conscience that tells us murder is bad, so by the time it gets to our conscious mind, it’s a much more muted emotion than what it originally could be. I’m thinking it bypasses that process in a serial killer, and perhaps they don’t even understand the urge, but because they lack the same emotions as we do, they really don’t care.They kill because they’re compelled to, and because they don’t have a conscience, they don’t question or overthink that urge. They just go with it. They understand society considers it wrong, but they don’t feel any sort of emotional attachment so they can’t understand why it’s wrong. To them, it’s one less body taking up space.
It’s all speculation in the end… but just like there are animals out there that seem to kill without a purpose or reason and are “born bad”, there are likely humans like that, too. Maybe it’s almost like how a pregnant animal might eat her babies if there’s a high population and she believes there’s not enough for them to eat, maybe population and territory have a lot to do with it. It’s just difficult for a lot of us to grasp because we try to rationalize everything. But who knows.
So you tell me you can look at a newborn or an infant and can tell the baby is evil? If so, you need to work for the FBI, CIA, etc.
@RulerofMasons - That’s a first. Being called a troll and all. I mean I know I’m hideous but dang boy. Lol. No not a troll. And the names Danni nice to make your acquaintance.
We are born with a clean slate Dan. It’s the experiences that we have in life that make us what we are.
@RulerofMasons - Do not get me wrong. I am not condoning anything this person and his accomplice did. I still find it wrong. But that is because I am man made. I see bad in things. That doesn’t change how I see things. I am glad he was caught and will be dealt with by the system.
Free will itself is an illusion. Our behavior is a product of our response to stimuli and based on the structure and functions of our brains, from a combination of genetics and developmental influences. It would take a long time to explain, in detail, I’ll do my best to summarize. What is commonly referred to as morality, is essentially a measure of empathy. Some people’s brains do not process empathy the same way normally functioning human brains do, and those would be the people you say are born “evil”. Whatever the cause, though, it is lack of empathy that we refer to, when we say “evil”. Now, consider that all of us have varying levels of empathy, and corresponding levels of compassion, for other individuals. Whatever our reasons are, and however we may justify it, when we refuse empathy toward someone, we are contributing “evil”. Consider how common it is, and how many socially acceptable bases there are, to excuse ourselves from empathy, and it should paint a clear enough picture of how the kind of “evil” we notice comes about.
Every time I see another tragedy unfold in which “evil” is committed, as sad as the tragedy itself may be, what truly troubles me is the reaction of the masses. It’s understandable to be upset, shocked, anrgy, what have you. But there needs to come a point at which we stop regarding “evil” as an independent manifestation, and stop assuming ourselves to be entirely innocent, entirely devoid of it, because believe it or not, that attitude is exactly what encourages “evil” on that scale, in the first place.
I think that there are both internal and external factors that can lean people to do evil things. It seems to me that the most evil actions are the ones that we convince ourselves are good and right. It’s disturbing because we all think of ourselves as good people doing the right things. It would be a comfort to think that bad people are just bad, but I doubt it. I think that they are either convinced that their actions are what they must do for right somehow, or they need some kind of relief and act in a way to get it. It’s important to think of your actions always in that context, because if you don’t you’ll find yourself making excuses for things you shouldn’t.
Yeah, the more I learn about my own family, the more I believe that this is true. That being said, It also means that I also believe some people are just born good.
Biologically yes. I’d say everyone is innocent until proven guilty, though.
Women have boobs. So only men can be born evil.
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Evil isn’t born. Its made.
No, it’s cultural conditioning. The Chechens are a warlike people and Islam is not “the religion of peace” its proponents claim. I don’t understand why the powers that be feel they need to continually superimpose these peoples upon Western civilization in the modern era. Multiculturalism is destroying Europe and beginning to take its toll on this side of the Atlantic as well.
I do feel as the bible says, “for all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God.” Does that mean we are all evil? NO! Hate, bigotry, and down right evil is learned. Look at children they play. They don’t care what color you are. They don’t care who you pray to. They may care if you have a cooler toy than they do, but most kids just share. When we see thing like what happened in Boston it was because someone got into the older brothers head and then he got in his kid brothers head. They told him hateful things about people who did nothing to him. And who frankly never thought about him. He was by and far nothing to them just some guy you pass on the street. I get it when a wife or girlfriend kills a guy who has been hurting them. I get it when a mother or father kills the person who hurt there child. I would do the same thing. But to hurt or kill just because I or you pray differently. NO, that is hate that some fool came up with in just the last few years (20 or so). OK longer if you look at it. Thinking backwards let’s see, 9-11, Germany under Hitler and that hole band of nut bags, the Spanish Inquisition, and so many others that I don’t have space here. My heart goes out to the family of the men who did the killing. No one raises there family up to say “Oh I think I’ll teach my kids to kill, and hurt others.” And no one no matter how messed up in the head you are would want there child to grow up to hurt some other persons child. Like the little boy who died this week said so well, “STOP HATE”. If you have hate for some thing change the thing with words. If you love like God (ANY GOD YOU PRAY TO) then think God would not want me hurt, but to love. Think God would not want me to die, but to live. For there is peace, hope, and love. And the greatest of these is LOVE! So shout it, go tell someone “I love you!” Not for what they can do for you, but just because they are.
I think the culprit between right and wrong in human being has to be the ego. If the ego as a child is not given direction, then it strives on power. And in later adult life looks to control. Definition of that power can later be defined as being good or bad
@Ancient_Scribe - The question of “born evil” aside, do you realize how ignorant this is:
“I’ve never in my life heard of a baby doing something evil so what, Dan, do they just bide their time until they are smarter and stronger and more capable of doing evil things more dastardly than crying in church, spitting up on nice dresses, and tugging on mommy’s hair and earrings?”
In your own sentence you recognize that they aren’t yet capable of doing things “more evil than…” and yet you base your argument that people aren’t born evil on the fact that you’ve not heard of babies doing evil things.
In fact, you make the case (unintentionally, I’m sure) that babies can be evil, as you list some of the things that they are both capable of, and actually do, so you’ve made a case that they are or can be, not that they aren’t.
Nobody is born evil. These brothers hated their predicament and “not making it” in life. That’s when they started following radical extremist ideology that they believed to be inherently right and good.
There are many people right now that hate their life and predicament. Envy can be a strong case. The only difference between these brothers and everybody else who think their life sucks is that these two brothers selfishly acted upon it in a harmful way, rather than channel all their hatred at life into something productive.
@Ghillies_guide - I appreciate your astute observation but–and I apologize for the confusion–since that comment was specifically addressed to Dan, and since Dan and I understand each other’s humor, my words in that instance weren’t meant to be taken with the seriousness in which you took them.
And I hardly equate inopportune vomiting, crying in church and other baby activities that grate on the adult patience with “evil” actions since actions are evil not in and of themselves necessarily but primarily by the intention behind them and infants are hardly capable of intending evil. For example we’d hardly try the toddler who is playing with a loaded gun and ends up killing someone as an adult, charge them with murder or even manslaughter, and put them away, yet the adult who commits the same action would be held responsible. Though the action may be the same and so too the result, the intention behind the actions are considerably different.
Sorry again for the confusion.
@Ancient_Scribe - Ah, the humor between people issue. It’s not uncommon, of course. Fair enough.
You don’t think a baby’s crying is based on intentions that can be, at the depth of an infant’s mental capabilities, evil?
Would you define abject selfishness as an evil of any sort?
Do you realize that babies cry for more reasons than merely being hungry?
I’m assuming you’re without children of your own, but I’m willing to bet you’ve at least seen the baby in the supermarket that throws an absolute fit of crying and screaming for seemingly no reason whatsoever…
@Ancient_Scribe - Love this! Very nicely written!
@Ancient_Scribe - Those questions being rhetorical, of course. I’m not interested in forcing a discussion you weren’t looking for. Feel free to ignore.
@joyouswind - Rec, by comment, for the second half of your comment. It was bothersome, indeed. I wonder if any homeowners inside the target areas refused police searches and what the outcome of that was…
My cousin was adopted. Prior to his adoption when he was 3, he suffered all forms of abuse. His birth mother also drank heavily during her pregnancy. He did not have fetal alcohol syndrome, he was born with fetal alcohol effect – only one portion of his brain was “burned out” or not developed by consequence of the alcohol. This of course, took many years to diagnose, there was just something always off. He never showed remorse. He never seemed either empathetic or sympathetic to anyone. He understood punishment, but did not have a drive to “be good.” Why? The portion of his brain that did not develop, was the portion that physically holds one’s conscience.
Yes, he was born evil. And when he was young, became a ward of the state for attempting to kill a little girl on the playground by choking her to death. He was in juvenile until he turned 18. The state released him. And then it was a scary world as his obsession with the Klebolds, Dahmers, and Hitlers of the world took over what was left. He began disappearing on his bike in the afternoons. His parents didn’t know what to do with him, they were somewhat blind to their beloved son’s danger (they never had biological children). Eventually, he swallowed all of his psychiatric pills and killed himself. It is a sad thing what I am about to state: We were just glad he did not take anyone else out with him.
Some may be born evil. I believe it, yes. In my cousin’s case, he was doomed from the start. Even in the womb, he was harmed.
@Celestial_Teapot - I think it’s more nuanced than that; the remarkable thing about ideologies is that they can produce diametrically opposed results; both Francis of Assissi and Torquemada were Catholics. Karl Marx was moved by the plight of the proletariat; yet the political philosophy that bears his name has racked up a body count that surpasses that of Nazism. And note this irony; at one point in his life, before he started the human assembly line to the guillotine, Robespierre opposed capital punishment
“The Christian faith teaches that we are born into sin.”
I read that with the most mocking tone you could imagine. Kinda like how the “EHRMAHGERD” girl would sound if she read it out loud. Try it! It highlights its inherent stupidity. Ha, ha!
Who gives a flying fuck what the xtian faith teaches? How about thinking for yourself? My bad. You have no idea of what I’m talking about. Carry on.
I have no idea. It is hard for me to believe that any sweet little baby was born to be evil. That no matter what happens in that child’s life, they will turn out to be evil. Nature vs. nurture. I am sure that there are certain traits that are more likely to develop, but I can’t help but believe something in their upbringing brings out those traits and could have shut them down.
The Bible tells us we are born with a sin nature, a propensity toward selfishness and hate. But it also tells us we have a conscience, a knowledge of good and evil. And recent scientific studies seem to back up this view, showing a tendency toward selfishness and bigotry in infants as young as 3 months. It’s the job of parents and others involved in a child’s life to nurture a child’s sense of right and wrong, to encourage the development of a gracious and unselfish heart. We also have different personalities since birth, some of which may predispose us to either go with the flow, subvert or take a stand. Subversives and stand takers have a greater capacity to do great good or great evil in society. There are also, unfortunately, mental illnesses that can interfere with a person’s empathy, turning them into a sociopath or psychopath.
Everyone on earth is born a little sinner… then by God’s grace we may become saved, and become “good.”
@Lady_Kelacy - I agree
I think its in our nature to be evil. And I think the Gnostic Christians. They claim that God ordered the angels to create both good and evil and to put both elements into us and they and God created “Free Will” so that humans will have the choice between choosing the goodness of God or the evil of the prince of darkness..satan. amen
GOD when He’s angry here with any one,
His wrath is free from perturbation;
And when His looks are awre and grim,
The alteration is in us, not Him.
-Robert Herrick.
The Gnostic Christians were right.
I believe everyone is born good. Goodness is wired in as a matter of survival of the species. Evil is learned. True evil is the evil intentionally taught.
Yes. I think for him to be able to put down a bag with a bomb in it in front of a crowd, especially in front of children, KNOWING it was going to explode and maim/kill those near it… you have to be pretty evil.
And to say he wasn’t born evil is to say that it was “nurture” and not “nature” that made him that way. Then you can push the blame on his parents, on society, on others, on the media, on America, on culture… but no. What he did is not the fault of ANY of those people/things. It is his fault and his alone.
I think that people are born with the opportunity to do both. It’s ultimately up to his or her own person of what to do with it.
Lol, I have to make an amendment. Anyone who has been around a 3 year old for an extended amount of time will know that they
are evil.
They major in deviousness, antagonism, lying, button pushing, mischief and amongst it all they do not care. They relish their naughtiness. Beware the three year old. He/she is bad.
I would have to disagree. Nobody is born evil. Evil is made, shaped, and molded.
I believe so, just like a parent can pass diseases why can’t they pass evil into the flesh of their child? The entire sin nature of Adam and Eve has been passed upon all of us. Christian upbringing can block out many of those behaviors, for Christ removes the curse.
No, I do not believe anyone is born evil.
No, but i haven’t met everybody yet so I don’t know.
That aside, am i the only one who thinks that this young man resembles the actor that plays the hero in the movie Kickass, Aaron Johnson?
@mtngirlsouth - I like that thought! And it seems to me that evil is a choice…choose life and not death (and the wages of sin is death).
“They murder. They hurt. The do things without regard to how it hurts others. The Boston Marathon is just one example of this.”
Don’t believe everything you read…
People fail to get along because they fear each other; they fear each other because they don’t know each other; they don’t know each other because they have not communicated with each other. – Martin Luther King, Jr.
Look at Ted Bundy. Yes – I do believe some people are born evil. I wouldn’t just blame a bad up-bringing on it. It has to be the person too.
Absolutely yes.
….I think that they are born with certain obtainable instincts that, when brought to fruition by an irresponsible adult, be it parent, brother or someone they look up to, It can be brought to the fore…… It seems, from the tidbits dropped by the media, that big brother led him down the garden path after some stimulation by others in the old country….. But, at 19, he is by law, responsible for decisions and actions made by himself…. So if the Fed decides death by whatever means is necessary, so be it and please do it quickly, not by 3 hots and a cot for 10 to 15 years….. Swift Justice, not ‘we’ll get around to it eventually…. Peace
Just as I don’t believe there is a “Homosexual gene”, I doubt you’d find a “Evil genome” floating around corrupting the species……
If you’re looking for explanations — look back to your post about the Colorado Batman Movie killer….. He was American and likewise did pointless murdering.
Yes, I believe we all are born evil — we just don’t always live up to it’s potential extremes.
@Ghillies_guide - I don’t think one could rightly classify a baby’s crying or any action as an evil act, even if based loosely on the barest intentions an infant might have at their stage of development. A baby cries primarily indicate a need, a distress or other displeasure yet where a more mature human being might express their need in a way others would recognize, a baby has at its disposal only its cry and nothing more. This is by no fault of its own; it simply hasn’t the capacity for finer articulation. It is no evil to be hungry, to be uncomfortable, to be frightened, distressed or lonely, and particularly in the infant’s case they are entirely unable to ameliorate their needs; they are completely dependent upon others for everything.
Given the intellectual underdevelopment of infants I don’t think they are capable of any true selfishness nor evil; they do not consciously weight their needs against the needs of others and choose their own in spite. I don’t believe infants are capable of recognizing anyone’s needs BUT their own, especially because their own needs would be so acute in their nascent mind. There is no moral fault here, no failure on their part; this is simply the reality of natal brain development. I do realize, again, that babies cry for more reasons than merely hunger but they are considerably limited when it comes to their means of expressing what exactly they desire or need. Babies likely learn very quickly that if they want their mother, they need only cry and mother will soon appear; there is nothing morally different between this and a teenager yelling “Mom!” from the top of the stairs.
You assume correctly; I have no children of my own and likely will never have my own children. But I come from a good-sized family, with an expansive extended family besides and many, many babies. I have seen babies through tantrums that make a grown man shudder and sometimes, yes, they seem to occur without reason! But just because we cannot, from without, discern the reason behind the emotional outburst doesn’t mean there is not a reason–even if only so basic as simple displeasure–behind it. We are, after all, rational creatures through and through, and evil is an exercise of reason. To suggest that an infant could make such an awful scene for no reason certainly excuses them from having done anything evil, which seems to go against your argument. I am suggesting that infants are incapable of committing a morally evil act because they lack the mental ability for such a thing; I don’t believe it is possible to demonstrate an infant being capable of evil unless we start to bend the definition of what an evil act is and, once we do that, we get into a very messy situation indeed.
Just for you Dan — I took the time to finish part one of this: What does the Bible say is “Evil”? (Part 1: The Old Testament)
@Ancient_Scribe - You deny the very words of Christ — Review Matthew 7:11, John 3:19 & remember that these are statements made of all men, not one or two. For someone who is supposedly an “Ancient Scribe” you show yourself repeatedly lost on what the Bible actually does state. You should put aside opinion and get back to the actual book.
Like anything else. It is a choice. I have found almost anyone who is ‘evil’ is actually someone who is determined to get attention one way or another. With any deed they can get away with, preferably with anonymity.
As long as they are in the news or in focus with their peers (or enemies), they will maintain their evil ways. Take away their audience and watchers (or listeners) and they have nothing. Absolutely – nothing to work with – they are that shallow and that empty a person.
No.
@Ancient_Scribe - I agree with the potential to be evil. When we say some are just born evil, we put them in a different box than ourselves and live under the impression WE could never potentially become that way. If some are born evil, others are born normal or good.
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@JulieMillerFan - Forgive my late response; the last few weeks of teaching have been crazy as we approach the end of the semester, graduation, final exams, etc. I am well aware of the verses you have pointed out and that they apply to all men (myself first and foremost!) however the topic of discussion was not on the fallen nature of all men, but whether someone is evil from the moment of their birth; in other words, if infants and children are capable of committing evil. Yes, by the time we reach adulthood we are well-practiced in the ways of sin but as infants and children I was arguing that this cannot be the case. You accuse me of neglecting Scripture, favoring my own opinion over the Sacred texts; what of Jesus in Matthew 18:1-5 when he is asked about who is the greatest in the kingdom of Heaven, and He brings a child forward and admonishes His followers to become like such a person? Yes, Jesus is keen to teach that all men are wicked, yet He says we must become like children and later in 19:13-15 He commands His followers not to hinder the children from coming to Him.
To again address your charge of ignoring Scripture, I wasn’t doing that at all; I was merely engaging on a topic of discussion pertaining not merely to all men (of which Jesus, in your Scripture references, was clearly speaking) but rather of humanity in its earliest, innocent stages of life, during which the potential for sin and evil is surely present, but not yet manifest because of the lack of intellectual development required for a person to make the very intentional choice of sin. Clearly Jesus, as I have tried to demonstrate, makes the distinction between the goodness and innocence of children and the wicked sinfulness of adult men and women.
Forgive me if my previous comments and discussions with other Xanga users proved confusing. God bless, and peace.
-Jacob