May 25, 2013
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Woman Gets Arrested for Lesbian Sex
An 18 year old girl has been arrested for having sex with a 14 year old girl. They were on the same high school basketball team (Ultimate lesbian sport next to softball and volleyball).
The 18 year old girl faces 15 years in prison for having sex with a minor. Here is the link: LinkShould it be illegal for an 18 year old to have sex with a 14 year old?
Comments (93)
The possible penalty seems harsh, but if this was two males involved there would be more of an out cry against it. Statutory rape used to be serious to protect children. It is hard to say what is fair here. I thing this took place before the predator was 18, so not sure why she is being charged now.Tough one. I think whether heterosexual or homosexual that those convicted of statutory rape should get fairly good prison time—to protect the innocent.
Only if it’s an 18 yr. old guy with a 14 yr. old girl. Everything else goes.
***Misleading title*** The woman got arrested for underage sex (statutory rape). The fact that the nature of the sex was lesbian is irrelevant to the charges.And yes, she needs to be arrested and tried. She knew she was breaking the law and had been warned repeatedly by the girl’s parents to stay away.
I dislike statutory rape cases. Especially when both parties are teenagers. It usually rings of “Daddy found out princess isn’t a virgin and had her boyfriend arrested and branded for life.” Consensual sex is consensual sex, I don’t care how old you are.This wasn’t rape. It was a relationship.
Not if they were in love. Teens should be with teens. It’s when they start dating 20, 30, 40 something people is when it gets distasteful. Other countries and even some states here wouldn’t consider this a felony.
I agree with @Pure_Taint - when it comes to sex between teenagers. This was a relationship and the parents did not want to face the fact that not only was their daughter having sex, but she was having lesbian sex. Parents should not be able to abuse laws that are meant to protect people that are actually being victimized. The 14 year old in this story was not being victimized
@Pure_Taint - I was a 16 year old raped by my 22 year old boyfriend. I wish someone had listened to me, someone had helped me. But if they are “dating” it’s always consensual? Ehhm no. Minors need to be protected.
@sonnigenmai - That was rape then. Statutory had nothing to with it. I’ve been raped, as a child. Not by a boyfriend, but I’m not speaking from inexperience.There’s a huge difference between a girl accusing someone (regardless of age) of rape. And parents pressing charges because age is the only staw they have to grasp.
@Pure_Taint – I’m just saying we don’t know the real circumstances. It may have been rape, and this one article is spinning it because of the lesbian angle. Honestly I think the younger you are, the more vulnerable you are to being pressered into sex, and the line of rape gets blurry. When I pled for help, for understanding, people insisted I was making it up, because i was dating the guy. I see a lot of the same responses to this article (not on here, necessarily) that were used to quiet me.
I think teenagers should respect the law and should face the consequences when they ignore it. what business does a 17 or 18 year old have getting involved with a 14 or 15 year old? I went out with this guy right before turning 15, he was already 16 and close to being 17, I think. all he wanted was sex, and I wanted nothing to do with it. if they want to have sex, there’s a million people around their own age they can do it with. the girl was warned and she should’ve backed off.
No.
3 1/2 year age difference and they were on the same basketball team. The only reason the parents pressed charges was because she’s a lesbo. I understand if they had a concern with power/age issues, but homophobia is a bad reason to throw someone in the slammer. Most states have Romeo/Juliet laws.
Statutory rape laws are terrible things and teenagers having sex in high school is one of the reasons why. Ugh, I wish statutory rape could just be done away with once a minor becomes a teenager.
I hate hearing stories of 18 year olds being charged with statutory rape, it makes my stomach turn because I can imagine how easily these teens going to the same high school could fall into a situation like this. Let’s be honest , teenagers don’t always make quality life decisions, even if they know there might be consequences to their actions. That seems like a pretty harsh punishment. Even the plea deal is harsh.
Yes, but it’s perfectly acceptable for a 17 year old to have sex with a 13 year old.
@snarkius - Irresponsible procreation, or other actions, lead to others having to make enormous sacrifices for the consequences.
@SlickRick297 - exactly
If it were an 18 yo male, he’d likely go to jail.
The title of the post is rather misleading : I’d say she got arrested for having sex with a minor, not for being a lesbian. If you were using that title in order to get more views, well… *facepalm*
@SlickRick297 -
@Love_in_102 - oh get-over-it. Their (they’re, there) f——————————–ookaling teenages!!!!! i mean, seriously, what more (higher expectations) can we hope fore? ILLL TELL U WHAT!!! read above post lol ^^^^^^^^^^^
@floodinmon14 -
@ShimmerBodyCream - indeed; but not Eve-Evenstette laws … ….Sexist bastards!lololol
@EpistemicDuty - + 1
I’ve read up on this one. While I feel sorry for the 18-year-old, she should be punished. With adult privileges come adult responsibilities. Honestly, I’m hoping these young ladies will see the error of their ways and be “scared straight” due to this experience.
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@Pure_Taint - @Erika_Steele - @ShimmerBodyCream - Since you’re all opposed to statutory rape laws… I think we’re overlooking the point of age of consent laws. I understand love is love, but that doesn’t mean that a teenager is mature enough for sex. I seriously don’t believe that 13/14/15 year-olds are old enough to really understand what’s going on with their bodies and in particular appreciate the risks they are taking with getting pregnant. There is a reason that kids that old can’t vote/drive/drink or even hold jobs, it’s generally accepted that they aren’t mature enough to be responsible with adult responsibilities. I don’t understand why, if young teenagers aren’t thought to be old/mature enough to make adult decisions, why a decision that could lead them to accidentally create another human being should be subject to any less scrutiny.
she never heard of jail baitshe should have taken the flea bargain ; a jury will give her 15yrs cause juries are made up of retired old farts like me.
The age is a consideration. Not for the two consenting teens, what they do is up to them the way I see it. But the law may view it harshly with the fact one was 14 whereas the other was 18.18 is legally an adult in some states and 14 even less so.It’s like my Dad told me years ago, he would rather I was dating a single gay man than a married straight woman.The law may not be so concerned with the fact it was lesbian but of the ages involved.
The punishment here does not fit the crime. You’d get less time for assaulting someone than you’d get for this. This should be turned into a misdemeanor 3 or 4, with some community service and a fine, not a multi-year prison term and a lifetime label as a sexual predator. How is it that a state with a huge population of undocumented immigrants, a massive drug trade, huge problems with violence and political corruption that makes New Jersey look like candyland have time for this?
The old story on this one is that it never would have had the news it was not a girl being arrested and homosexuality is a big thing now. A strait guy would have no support and a fast trip to jail. There are very good reasons for this law. There are very good reasons, 14 year olds are not ready to do whatever they want to do, with whoever they want to do it with. And at that age 4 years older means the adult tends to be predatory and controlling. And 13, 14, 15 year olds are sitting ducks for it. The sentences need to be adjusted when the age difference is that close though.
“If you had an 18- and 17-year-old, there may be some investigation,” he said.”If the 17-year-old says it was consensual, that would probably be the end of it and you wouldn’t have charges.”But in this case, 18 and 14 is a wide gap, he said. “According to law in Florida, this is a crime.”Parents of Hunt (18yo) are claiming the other parents are only pressing charges because of the daughters’ sexual orientation. My thoughts – I agree with the quote. 18/17, okay. But 18/14 – had this been a guy and girl, guy’s busted. Doesn’t matter if they’re both girls, the law is there.
@ShimmerBodyCream - Are you sure? a lot of parents are not happy to hear that their 14 year old daughter is having a dildo shoved up her ass in the school bath room by an 18 year old boy or girl . Yes I read the entire story including the police reports. A lot of boys have gone to jail over such things. And her plea deal was two years house arrest with no sex crime charges against her. In other words she is grounded other than going to school and maybe work. Depending on what she can work out.
Gays insist that what they do to each other and call sex is everybody’s business.So does this mean that it has to be okay for gay adults to victimize minors?
Anyone saying this was consensual misses the fact that a child is not capable of giving consent. They lack the mental maturity and physical maturity to give it. Physically, their sex organs might trick them into thinking it’s ok, but the decision making part of their brain has not yet been fully developed at this age (not even close, not for either sex). It’s my opinion that some of you have your opinion because you are invested in it yourselves, you were probably sexually active too young. And it’s a hell of a lot easier to think you made maybe a bad decision than that you were taken advantage of and possibly victimized. Those who say it is ok: How old were you when you became sexually active?
@ImNotUglyIJustNeedLove - Some used to say that part of the gay rights movement was NAMBLA And the the next move would be for the removal of statutory rape laws. They were called bigots. But it seems these bigots were right
@PrincessPowers - If marriage can be redefined to be ridiculous, so can consent.Welcome to the Brave New World of gay rights.
@floodinmon14 – oh, so if I had murdered someone you loved when I was 17, you would have just gotten over it, right? I mean, what can you really expect from teenagers?
@ImNotUglyIJustNeedLove - I don’t see this as gay anything. I see this as protection of an oversexualized child in a society that says sex of all kinds is “safe” as long as no one gets pregnant or hiv. In a society that demands our kids grow up too soon, is it a surprise they emulate adult behavior? The problem is that they lack the mental resource to understand. I don’t see this as a gay/straight issue. It’s a protection of a child issue.
@PrincessPowers - Are you pro-abortion?Making it so murdering unborn children is “a woman’s right to choose” pretty much does away with protecting children.Adult choice trumps the welfare of children.People need to wake up and smell the coffee. The progressive definitions of tolerance and choice actually mean anything goes.
@ImNotUglyIJustNeedLove - Yo, dude, have you ever heard of sticking to the topic at hand? Cuz I’m going to. Ya dig?
@PrincessPowers - I have indeed stuck to the topic. I am introducing you to systematic thinking and first principles.You are accustomed to creating reality out of your own opinion instead of understanding how objective reality is put together.The ethics of gay rights, abortion and the victimization of children by adults is all part of the same ball of wax.
@ImNotUglyIJustNeedLove - Thanks so much, now go back to Revelife.PS that was an accidental rec. I’m on my phone. But enjoy it anyways, aggressive sob.
Before even reading up on the facts, and the allegations of this case, there are so many angles and issues to address.From the 18 year old’s perspective:So now that she’s eighteen, she’ll gladly go vote because she’s old enough to, it’s her right. But even though it’s her responsibility to not have sex with a minor, because -like it or not- that’s currently the law of the land, suddenly it’s not fair and she’s just a girl in the same age bracket (not really, btw) as the girl she was intimate with…From a general standpoint:Let an 18 year old guy have sex with the fourteen year old, and suddenly he’s a pedophile (ignoring that in this case the actual term would be hebephile). But let a 30 year old female have sex with her 14 year old male student, and the male student is a stud and a player, who deserves a pat on the back for getting some. The teacher gets ignored, or bastardized for being a slut, but even she isn’t a hebephile or pedophile because women aren’t “allowed” to be sexual creatures in the sense that they’re always the victim in one way or another- whether that’s a victim of rape (because she said yes and then later regretted it or got caught/embarrassed by her parents, etc) or just powerless to stand against the charming ways of the boy.From a parental standpoint:Do the parents have the right to have a say in who their minor child dates? Personally, I think so, regardless of that person’s age, but absolutely when that person is at or over the age of 18. To characterize this as her parents only getting revenge because they don’t want to face the fact that their daughter is a lesbian is, without warranting evidence, a weak argument.At the end of the day, YES, she should be arrested and tried. Why? Not necessarily because we should have a law that bans two people from being together as blanket-styled as age-based consent laws are, but because WE DO have those laws currently, and everyone knows that. If you want to get the laws changed, then get them changed. But until that happens, the simple fact is that she knowingly broke the law and should have to suffer the consequences of that. Don’t take the risk if you’re not ready to pay the bill.
@PrincessPowers - There is nothing in my comments that is religious. Why the bigotry?There is everything in your comments that is hostile to truth and correct thinking.Give peace and proper thinking a chance.
@ImNotUglyIJustNeedLove - I’ve been around the xanga block a few times. I know where you hang. (The rest doesn’t get a response, you don’t even know my stances, I haven’t given them, ASSumer.)
@acomfortingcolloquy - How is it that one crime should be compared to another for sentencing? I know it’s not fair when someone who steals a candy bar gets a year in jail while someone who beats their spouse gets probation, but neither one have anything to do with the other, so from a justice standpoint there’s not logical or rational reason to actually compare them to each other. Should the penalty for stealing a candy bar be as high as a year? As a simple matter, with no aggravating factors, no. Should the penalty for spousal abuse be set at a mandatory minimum, with required jail time? With no aggravating factors, yes. But there’s no logic in comparing them. They each need to be addressed on their own merits. We can’t reduce the length of time a candy bar thief is sentenced to because someone else in another state only did probation for domestic assault. They aren’t, and shouldn’t be connected. At least not more than in a conversational stance, definitely not as standards within a justice system.
There should be laws to protect minors, but there should be bigger age gaps allowed, especially for older teens. Mostly “statutory rape” “offenders” should not be charged and treated in the same way as the kind of rapist who poisons your drink and takes advatage of your motionless body, or a rapist you forces you to do things, even though you said you don’t want them. That’s pretty ridiculous.
There is three years between them, not four.
@trunthepaige - I was just thinking a lot of boys don’t go to jail because of such things. It’s pretty common to see freshmen dating seniors in high school
@ShimmerBodyCream - More of them get in trouble than you know about. It just does not make the news. And not all dating is sexualy active with 14 year olds. And even of those who are active the parents do not always know and have proof. IN this case they did. Just because most crimes are not solved, is not a good argument to ignore the crimes that are
I’m sorry… 15 years?That’s pretty fucking ridiculous…I understand punishment; but you’re essentially putting a teenager who engaged in consensual sex (unless it wasn’t consensual?) with someone younger than her, into a place that’s basically a rape camp.
This truly is unfortunate for the accused … that it happened; that the law is on the side of those that pressed charges; that its grabbed national attention.On the other hand the issues that are being discussed as a result are necessary. Our schools and even our neighborhoods are becoming places of increasing sexual activity by minors. If someone didn’t know, there are so many reports and cases that none of you could possibly find time to read through them all: SEARCH for instance on “sex forced on child at school” and you’ll get a glimpse of a new reality. Children are not safe at school. re: also noted by @trunthepaige and perhaps she’ll open a blog on this topic area (please).
Absolutely. There is a gap in physical, mental, and emotional awareness between fourteen year olds and eighteen year olds, and it is huge. Children have the right to be protected from predators when they are at a vulnerable age where they can be easily manipulated or coerced into breaking the law, especially if the results of those consequences end up being abusive. Fact: America recognizes 18 as being “legal.” This is because once you turned 18, you were allowed to join the US military. THAT is what ultimately allowed them to vote. Thus, eighteen is recognized as the age when you become an adult, capable of making and living with the consequences of your decisions, including if it meant time in jail.Even though the ethics of the parents’ charges may have been questionable or debatable, the 18 year old’s actions do not take away the fact that she knowingly engaged in sex with a minor and broke the law. The argument that she was a woman and the minor also a woman is invalid and harmful at best.
The problem is we make rules or laws and then seek to enforce them as a strict black and white issue instead of looking at all the details and judging the gray areas fairly.Yes, it’s easy to say the law was broken so the penalty is fair, but according to the “law” a 16 yo who is in a relationship with with someone just a few weeks older can fall under the same penalties when one turns 17.These same laws that “protect” kids aged 12 – 16 yo, do NOTHING to stop a 16 yo from having a relationship with a 12 yo. Well, you could still prosecute, but both kids would fall under the same penalty. The law proposes that there is something special that happens at 12:01 am on a person’s 18th birthday that gives them all the faculties to make rational decisions as an adult. There are people who are senior citizens who are still not capable of mature decision making. Mix in teenagers and raging hormones and we still expect kids to know the fine print details of the sex laws, which were made primarily to stop much older predators?The max penalty of 15 years in prison sure seems extreme for an age difference within 4 years in a mutually consenting relationship. The arbitrary nature of the law is also questionable, based on the parents decision to prosecute. Would they have still pursued the law if their child were dating a male 18 yo student whom they liked? This certainly isn’t the 1st time a senior has dated a freshman, and surely won’t be the last.What also bothers me about this case is that it seems the parents couldn’t control their daughter’s actions or behavior, so they chose to pursue legal means instead. Parents who wish to control their children’s sex lives have a variety of other means available – and they would have had to use them if they didn’t have the laws to exploit. What would the parents have done if the offender were within the legal age boundaries?
Ye she should be punished.
@SlickRick297 - I’m not opposed to statutory rape laws. Statutory rape laws protect teenagers from power imbalances. EX 30year old and 17 year old. In this case I don’t believe there was a power imbalance. They were only 3 years apart and on the same basketball team and in the same high school. Seems like they were on an even level to me.
We need statutory rape laws. I grew up in the days before we had them. So many guys would graduate from high school and take low-paying jobs that afforded them enough money to buy a truck and some beer. These guys would prey on young high school girls who were so impressed by a guy with a truck who could get them beer. So many of these girls got pregnant and had their lives ruined. These laws stop a lot of that nonsense. Now, we’re going to throw all of that out the window because whiny Mama protests and wants to make it a gay rights’ issue to save her little girl’s tail. She knew this was going on and did nothing to stop it. She’s partially to blame. I understand the other girl’s parents being concerned, but, having a daughter that age myself, I’d have taken a more subtle approach. Even so, what was done was a criminal act. As Tony Baretta used to say, “Don’t do the crime if you can’t do the time.”
@ShimmerBodyCream - “ I’m not opposed to statutory rape laws. Statutory rape laws protect teenagers from power imbalances. EX 30year old and 17 year old. In this case I don’t believe there was a power imbalance. They were only 3 years apart and on the same basketball team and in the same high school.”There’s a big difference in maturity mentally, sexually, and socially between a 14 year old and an 18 year old. Just saying it’s 4 nominal years ignores the actual differences mentally and psychologically between people of both ages. If anything, there’s probably less of a mental and maturity different between a 17 and 30 year old than a 14 and 18 year old. That they might have a smaller gap in athletic ability, being on the basketball team is completely irrelevant and doesn’t make them peers. 16 year olds play professional tennis and other sports, that doesn’t make them peers or as mentally mature as say a 35 year old just because the teen might face the adult on the tennis court. A 14 year old doesn’t have the capacity to make mature decisions, especially relating to sex and its physical and mental consequences, whether or not we think every 14 year old out there is doing it. The law isn’t about power imbalance as much as it’s about protecting young people from adults who are more sexually aware and can take advantage of the ignorance or impressionability of children. There’s no reason this 18 year old girl should have been engaging in sexual activity with a 14 year old, and 18 year olds typically don’t hang out with or keep the same social circles as 14 year olds. If this 18 year old girl wanted sex, she should have found another adult to have it with, not a girl. She is guilty of a crime (whether or not people agree it should be a crime) and should be held responsible. The severity of the sentencing is another issue, but if one keeps his nose clean he wouldn’t have to worry about that.
@PrincessPowers - You make a good point about brain development being related to consent, but if the age of consent was based of when a brain was fully-developed it would be illegal to have sex until somewhere between the ages of 23-26. I cannot remember the exact age but I believe it was somewhere around that time. It is the same argument people use for why younger people should not be tried as adults due to an immature brain.
@AmorVomnia7 - That is one of the things that is pissing me off with statutory rape sentences. You are essentially punishing statutory rape (only rape by the definition of the law) with statistically likely (especially as a female) serial rape. Something is truly fucked up with America’s prison system.
@SoullFire - “Yes, it’s easy to say the law was broken so the penalty is fair, but according to the “law” a 16 yo who is in a relationship with with someone just a few weeks older can fall under the same penalties when one turns 17″None of your comment is justification to affect the charging of, prosecution of, or sentencing of the alleged perpetrator.It MAY be cause to address the laws themselves, but that you don’t like the laws is not enough reason to grant leniency to someone who broke the laws that were in existence at the time. He or she broke a law we have, and (while not knowing isn’t an excuse) they did it knowingly, taking the risks associated with doing so.There aren’t any gray areas. That’s why we don’t look at them.If the laws don’t fit the situation, change the laws. But if you break the laws that are currently enacted, then you pay the price. Plain and simple. Don’t want to do fifteen years for having sex with a minor? Don’t have sex with a minor.
There’s a big difference in maturity mentally, sexually, and socially between a 14 year old and an 18 year old. Just saying it’s 4 nominal years ignores the actual differences mentally and psychologically between people of both ages. If anything, there’s probably less of a mental and maturity different between a 17 and 30 year old than a 14 and 18 year old. Sources, please.
@essien - Neural insulation in the brain isn’t complete until the mid 20s. To think a fully developed brain (30yr old) and a 17 year old is on par with two underdeveloped brains (14 &18) seems biologically incorrect.
@trunthepaige - I agree with you that it’s “wrong.” I just don’t really think the law should be involved. These kids are just 3 years apart, developmentally that’s pretty close: http://media.npr.org/news/graphics/2010/02/teen-white-matter_300.gif 4 years is pushing it, and 5years it definitely should be enforced. a 15 and an 18year old/ 14 and 17year old isn’t too far away on a scale of maturity. I’m not familiar with the case, but if she was using a position of power over the younger one(or something wasn’t consensual), then that should be enforced.
It should be illegal but to put the person on the sex offenders list and 15 years in prison is wrong in my opinion.
If a 14 year old chooses to have sex with an 18 year old, it is a huge insult and horrid lesson to call it illegal. And it is tragic when (often) stupid men end up on sex offender lists because they played with the wrong (based on age) willing partner. I read about this stuff in the newspaper, where men are all of a sudden called pedophiles and have their lives utterly ruined, and the 14 year old homewrecker with a restraining order against her gets taken out of town and coddled like a victim. What an insult to actual rape victims. And what a waste of life for anyone who later gets together with the girl who has been taught no accountability.
This really depends on the circumstances, doesn’t it? There’s a lot we don’t know. Also, just because someone is 18 and legally an adult doesn’t mean they mature and become an adult overnight. When I was 18, I was still very much a kid. If I were a parent, however, I do think I’d be really freaked out over my 14 year old having any kind of sexual relationship with anyone.
@ShimmerBodyCream - Sources, please.I took AP Psychology and studied the developmental stages of the brain. This is hardly serious enough that I’d go around looking for sources, as it’s common psychology knowledge. You could easily find evidence online about brain development stages that would conclude the gap between a 14 and 18 year old’s mental maturity is bigger than that of a 17 yr old compared to a 30 year old. Like you said, brain development is done by the mid 20s, so really the gap is between 17 and 25 upwards.The law is the law, and if it exists then it should be enforced equally. Position of power has nothing to do with the law, that an adult and a minor beneath the age of consent are engaging in sexual activity is the only factor. Not that it matters, but there’s no way the sex offender could have believed what she was doing to the 14 yr old was legally acceptable.
@essien - I took psych too. If it’s common knowledge then sources should be easy to come by. Please show me how developmentally a 15/18yr old is a lot different from a 17/30 year old. If it’s easy to find, then it shouldn’t be a problem for you.
@SlickRick297 - then a minor engaging in sex with an adult should be held responsible as well. send them to juvenile detention. minors are held responsible for crimes all the time. why get a free pass for underage sex?
@merfolklore - ”What an insult to actual rape victims. “BINGO. rape is never consensual.
@Ghillies_guide - “None of your comment is justification to affect the charging of, prosecution of, or sentencing of the alleged perpetrator.”Thanks for pointing that out, but I don’t recall making any statements to that effect. Just checked again…nope- your point doesn’t apply to my comment. I never said she shouldn’t be tried under the law. I was questioning the common sense and fairness aspect of the law itself. You are also mistaken about there not being any gray areas of the law. It’s the reason why we have judges in the first place. You do realize that the penalty given to this crime has a range of punishments that go UP TO 15 years right? How do you think that determination is made, if not by the judges discretion of all the circumstances involved, otherwise known as the “gray areas”?”But if you break the laws that are currently enacted, then you pay the price. Plain and simple. Don’t want to do fifteen years for having sex with a minor? Don’t have sex with a minor.”Yes, the logic is simple, break the law and pay the price, but my ACTUAL POINT which you seemed to miss is perhaps the law itself needs to be looked at to see if it’s being used as intended.So in your black and white world, you must have no problem with a 16 yo having sex with a 12 yo because no laws were broken – so too bad, so sad, for the parents in that situation? Or it could be that perhaps we need different laws regarding children engaging in sex with each other.
@paoguy118 - ”: So many of these girls got pregnant and had their lives ruined.”if they consented to sex, then their stupidity is no one’s fault but their own.
15 years is a little too harsh, don’t you think?
@flapper_femme_fatale - Um, no ma’am. If the adult was charged with “statutory rape” because the minor was not of legal age to be able to consent to sex (just like an intoxicated person cannot), then that child is presumed to be a “victim” of the crime, not a criminal. Generally you don’t prosecute victims.
that’s too much
@SoullFire - ”Thanks for pointing that out, but I don’t recall making any statements to that effect. Just checked again…nope- your point doesn’t apply to my comment. I never said she shouldn’t be tried under the law. I was questioning the common sense and fairness aspect of the law itself.”So questioning the common sense, and fairness aspect of the law itself isn’t questioning the justification charging, or prosecuting, or sentencing of the alleged perpetrator? I mean, if you’re questioning the law itself, then it seems to me you’d have to question actually using said law. ”The law proposes that there is something special that happens at 12:01 am on a person’s 18th birthday that gives them all the faculties to make rational decisions as an adult. There are people who are senior citizens who are still not capable of mature decision making. Mix in teenagers and raging hormones and we still expect kids to know the fine print details of the sex laws, which were made primarily to stop much older predators?”Seems to me as though this is saying that there is justification to not charge them to begin with, at least in certain cases, as they might not have been adult enough to make the decisions. Pretty sure it’s a direct challenge to the validity of the law, and by extension that would be a direct challenge to whether or not someone should be charged.But what do I know? Other than, you know, reading comprehension….Thanks for the hostile reply. I made the mistake of thinking that you could have an intelligent discussion with someone who disagreed with you without taking personal offense, but apparently I was wrong, so I won’t damage your ego further. Have a good Sunday.
@ShimmerBodyCream - Not to get involved in a big argument or anything, but simple math applies as a “Source.”the most development happens in the twenties. Since development is a progress-based type of situation (the older you are, the more you have) then it stands to reason that a 17 year old has developed more than a 14 year old, right?Clearly, that 17 year old is closer to their 20′s, where the bulk of it happens, right?Clearly, that 30 year old isn’t too far past the development’s “finish”, right?An 18 year old has come even closer to the “finish”, right?The 14 year old is still years away from the “finish”, right?Think of it like a race track. 17 and 18 are past the halfway mark, probably 2/3 into the mile loop, 30 is at the finish line. 14 is still at the starting line. that means that 17 is only 1/3 of the track behind 30, while 14 is still 2/3 behind 18.
15 years is a little much, but there should be SOME punishment. Anybody 14 years old has no business sleeping with anyone, especially someone 18 years old.
@Ghillies_guide - If you consider my last reply hostile, then you must be quite the sensitive guy. I merely pointed out the areas where you were wrong – is that what you’re taking as hostility? A little constructive advice – it seems you’re making unwarranted extrapolated assumptions from the limited information at hand, and you know what they say when you make assumptions…”Seems to me as though this is saying that there is justification to not charge them to begin with, at least in certain cases, as they might not have been adult enough to make the decisions. Pretty sure it’s a direct challenge to the validity of the law, and by extension that would be a direct challenge to whether or not someone should be charged.”Really? Here are your own words: “If the laws don’t fit the situation, change the laws.”So when I do indeed talk about the possible problems with the law and suggest it should be looked into for revisions, your turn around and claim I’m now advocating that the stated laws should not be enforced? That is one heck of an assumptive leap, which is as wrong as it is big. Of course the “easier” argument would be to assume I was saying she shouldn’t be charged, which allows you to smugly attack with a one liner saying “Don’t want to do fifteen years for having sex with a minor? Don’t have sex with a minor”, which doesn’t sound like someone who is looking for intelligent discussion as it certainly doesn’t leave much room for debate.If you “wanted” an intelligent discussion, you would have also brought up the others points I made about the problem with the law, such as the legality of a 16 yo having sex with a 12 yo, which is likely even worse due to the younger ages involved, but you skipped that argument twice. I don’t think it’s much of a leap to say you were more interested in being right than exchanging information, then got bent out of shape when that scenario didn’t play out as you planned. As for having a bruised ego, it seems to me that you choosing to leave a message at 4am grasping at straws to make the case where you “must” be right makes it all you too clear whose ego is suffering. You have a good Sunday as well. =)
@SoullFire - What was that you were saying about unwarranted extrapolated assumptions?No, I understood it clearly, I’m just thinking maybe you forgot it right after saying it.Smooches
@Ghillies_guide - Again, you bypass all my arguments to leave your own non related hostile reply. Feel free to answer them when you’re in the mood. I might be tempted to ignore/change the subject too if things weren’t going well…
@SoullFire - Lol. That’s funny.I’m using my phone at the moment. It’s a bitch to type and drive at the same time. It’s also a fine of almost three thousand dollars for a commercial motor vehicle operator (me).So you go ahead and claim victory here. If that’s your position, that this was a competition, you pat yourself on the back all you need to wittle timmy wimmy.
@Ghillies_guide - “I’m using my phone at the moment. It’s a bitch to type and drive at the same time. It’s also a fine of almost three thousand dollars for a commercial motor vehicle operator (me).”That has got to be one of the lamest excuses I’ve heard for backing out of defending your points or answering points brought up in a discussion. I guess the concept of waiting until you had time to reply magically escapes your line of reasoning. That IS funny! Even grade schoolers could come up with something more creative. Thanks for proving my point that just because one is over 18 doesn’t mean they automatically have a mature reasoning mind. It’s also highly amusing that despite your situation, you still managed to reply anyway just for another pointless attack- making it clear to all that you have nothing of value to add, so you resort to ad hominem attacks to try and salvage what’s left of your ego. Since your wounded ego clearly demands you have the last word, you need not worry about me responding anymore.
@SoullFire - Thanks for the last word. I’ll use it to point out that, for me being the one corner with ego and reputation, you sure did put quite a bit of time in each comment typing belittling remarks. One might notice I didn’t feel such a need personally. (You even had a need to do so after I conceded defeat to your superior intellect. That part was most telling. Wait, I meant entertaining, I swear.)
@ShimmerBodyCream - Like I said, this discussion is hardly worth that much effort on my part. You can still have any opinion on what I say in any event. Besides, the law can’t be selectively applied, besides in some states a 17 and 30 year old can have sexual relations because 16 is the age of consent in them.
@essien - So you have no evidence and are talking out your ass. That’s exactly what I thought. Have a good day.
Ha, I’m talking out my ass because I disagree with you? If you’ve studied psychology then you’d know what I’m talking about, so there’s no need to patronize me or start getting nasty. Anyway, there’s an article on the teenage brain below, whatever you make of it is your own business from here on. http://www.edinformatics.com/news/teenage_brains.htm
Dan, Dan, Dan, you are such a mysterious man.
They were lesbians. Of course it should be illegal.
My captain and I were standing around watching a bunch of teenage girls playing softball. He turns to me and says, “You see all these girls? I could fuck them all if I wanted. They’re fucking stupid and easily manipulated.” He’s a caustic chap and one of the smartest people I know. It was the first thing that came to mind after reading the comment which stated “This wasn’t rape. It was a relationship.”
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