May 27, 2009
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The Silent Majority
The majority of Americans are against gay marriage. 57% of Americans are against gay marriage. 40% are in favor of it. Here is the link: Link
Let that sink in for a second. We read all kinds of blog where people are upset by the California Supreme Court ruling that let a ban on same sex marriage stand. The reality is that in liberal California that the majority of people were against gay marriage.
For every 4 blogs you will read where someone is in favor of gay marriage, there are almost 6 bloggers that are silent.
It is called the silent majority. The majority of Americans do not want gays to get married.
Why?
I can only think of two reasons. The first is that some believe it is not God’s plan and it is against the Bible. The rest must just think it is “icky.”
I can’t think of any other reason why someone would care. But time and time again when it is put to the voters, the voters say “No.”
Yet, it is difficult to find people that will express either thought process. I don’t understand the whole civil union idea. I have a hard time understanding why someone would be in favor of a civil union and yet against gay marriage.
So lets put it to a vote.
Are you in favor of allowing gays to be married?
Comments (332)
The government should not regulate marriage at all.
I’m remaining a silent majority. I would be interested in seeing your vote Dan.
In favor of gay marriage.
If they can be together why can’t the be married o.0 there’s no differnce
(Many may hate me for this but) I don’t care who marries who or how many people they marry (Polygamy)
@radicalramblings - Agreed. It shouldn’t have anything to do with them.
They have practically every legal protection of marriage. Why not allow them to marry? As long as the Church isn’t forced to marry, or recognize, the marriage, I say let the government do what it wants.
@radicalramblings - I agree….I don’t care who marries who or how many people they marry
its against the bible ?! really? XD
but im in favor, let them be =] but when they adopt kids..? i feel sorry for the kids =/
I’m in favor of allowing homosexual couples to have all the same rights as heterosexual couples. It has absolutely nothing to do with religion, faith, or overall “ickyness” factor. They are human beings and they deserve the same protections under the LAW as every other human being.
I think people should be able to love who they want and marry whomever they choose.
Equal rights means equal rights. I’m all for marriage equality for everyone. A civil union isn’t equal. It’ll take something like Brown v. Board of Education to change this whole deal.
I’m in favor of minding my own business.
I am in favor of gays being able to marry.
@StewieIsMyHero - lol – awesome
@lala_smileee_x - I don’t. I feel sorry for kids with abusive parents. A lot of kids would be lucky to be placed in a loving home.
I’m in favor of the homosexual agenda.
@mrsprosa -
I’m in favor of gay marriage.
I support gay marriage.
Of course.
i’m for gay marriage.
@lala_smileee_x - but im in favor, let them be =] but when they adopt kids..? i feel sorry for the kids =/
How? It doesn’t have to do with ickiness, does it?
They are human beings and they deserve the same protections under the LAW as every other human being.
Ditto.
against. and that doesn’t mean that i’m against homosexuals or think that they’re worse than anyone else.
Judging from the comments here, it appears the majority is remaining silent.
@petitenoirtenue - they’d have their lives made a hell hole at school =/ from being victims of bullying
@CelestialTeapot - well.. kinda, but the kids would get mega bullied at school for it obviously, which is unfair =//
Sure, why not… they have a right to pursue happiness to.
As long as marriage is this way: YES
Marriage should be a solely religious/cultural institution, independent of governmental regulation. So in a way, my vote is yes–if a gay couple can find a pastor/priest/minister/justice/Elvis impersonator whose organization is willing to conduct the marriage, there should be nothing else preventing them from getting married.
@radicalramblings - Agreed
Understand: I believe that homosexual sex is not God’s plan for sex, and thus I am not in favor of gay marriage. But that’s a belief stemming from my faith, that I have no right to impose on people of other faiths. In terms of my beliefs regarding government, I do not believe that saying who can and who can’t get married is the government’s job.
@CelestialTeapot - ouch lol xD i dont mean it in that way.. but i think its unfair that kids would have to go through such bullying at school.. itd be more major than being bullied for having a strange accent.. and racism isnt much of big thing now
well, i think if straight ppl can get married and be miserable so can the ppl in the gay community lol.
i’m bi myself, so im all for it.
I think the goverment should stay out of personal relationships – it is simply not their business
I’m still trying to get over the fact that you can’t get a hotel room with cash anymore
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Legally the California Supreme Court made the correct decision, both in upholding their own constitution and allowing those married in the brief time gay marriage was legal to stay married. This is not to say that gay marriage advocates can’t put a new ballot initiative next year to repeal the amendment.
As far as my personal view on legal gay marriage, I’m apathetic.
I really don’t know. That’s why I stay silent.
Of course. They’re humans, they’re people. They should have the same rights as everyone else, regardless of what gender they are attracted to.
Sure. I think gay men and women deserve the right to be as miserable as the rest of us.
@lala_smileee_x - Racism is still a big deal. You must not live in the South. You should have seen some of the things i saw while living in Georgia. Sad, really.
For my moral side, I’d say yes.
Monetary purposes and the interest of California as a state. Then I’d have to sadly say no. Good thing I let my moral’s run my life though.
In favor.
“57% of Americans are against gay marriage. 40% are in favor of it.”
What does the other 3% think?
I’m not a fan of the whole marriage thing, but if some people want to get married, they should be allowed to.
I don’t care either way.. but if I had to vote then I’m all for it…
Although many people might find it “unnatural” but who the f*** cares?!?!?! I don’t understand how a gay marriage would effect my life or anyone elses… its not like i’m going to end up paying for their bills or support them or anything…
The only thing that worries me is the fact that many people will probably take advantage of this and “marry” for tax purposes.
Needless to bring up other factors such as adoption etc. Again I don’t mind either way as it has no direct effect in my life. Live long and prosper!!!!
I’m definitely for gay marriage. I think it’s ridiculous when there are laws based on religion.
I am for gay marriage
I have never really heard of abusive homosexual relationships (there may be some out there, but still) and yet everywhere you turn there is yet another abusive heterosexual relationship or marriage.
I feel that it might even be a better, more loving home than a heterosexual one.
There are so many kids that need to be adopted, why not place them with loving parents, who cares if it’s two men or two women?
I’m a Quaker. I’m also gay.
My religion says it is a-okay for me to marry a woman.
SOOOO…
My religious rights are being violated. :[
it depends on the day. Sometimes I am sometimes I’m not.
I used to be totally not. But then I heard someone’s opinion on it. My friends dad’s friend. So some guy divorced his wife, and has to continue to pay her alimony until she gets married. She won’t be getting married anytime soon because she’s a lesibian. She wants to though, but obviously can’t (state of FL) So he’s SOL right now.
So that is a reason why I would want it to be legal.
@storiesandsinker - other 3% either don’t care, have no opinion, or are on the fence
My belief as a Christian is that homosexuality is a sin. That being said, I don’t know that it’s the government’s place to force my Christian beliefs on the masses. Despite what many of my fellow believers will tell you, America is not now nor has it ever been a “Christian nation.” I would say I fall into the apathetic category when it comes to this issue.
yes to the legal idea, no to the religious one. Open as we may all be, we have no right to tell the hindus to eat burgers, if you catch my drift.
Abso-fuckin’-lutely.
Silent majority. I shall remain silent. Bad things start up if I speak my opinion. I learnt a lesson.
It doesn’t matter what I think….it just matters what God says.
@ShamrockLover - urm i live in the UK x) theres not much racism here i think, theres many different races here, including myself =]
Yep. Marriage is a legal contract and should be open to everyone.
I think the legal rights and responsibilities of a marriage license should be completely separate from any religious aspect.
I remain silent.
@Xcholo4u - hahaha.. so true
I really dont care either way… And if I lived in the states, i would not place a vote on the matter. I don’t wish to be a part of either side, i am not a christian, nor am I gay. So either way it doesn’t matter to me..I still dont understand why 1 flawed, not even fully understood religion has ruled over all the other ones… But I guess thats what happens when you put a big head in charge.
/edit:I guess if they had a “dont care” option, i would vote that. haha otherwise, no.
For gay marriage. Equal rights, folks. And anyone that throws in the Bible argument….separation of church & state anyone? Churches shouldn’t be required to marry gays, no, but that’s for each minister to decide.
i do not think the government should ban gay marriage. i am personally against it, but i do not believe the government has jurisdiction on this matter.
The fact is that we do not (or, should not) live in a democracy. If we did, we would have no need for a Constitution to guarantee our rights; they would be based on majority rule. That is, ultimately, what true democracy is. Rather, we live in a Republic, in which the Constitution grants the state only specific rights necessary to protect and preserve liberty.
Even if 99.9% of the people were against gay marriage, that should not override the liberty guaranteed Americans of every sexual orientation. If 57% of Americans were against military service, would we shut down the Army? If 57% of Americans were in favor of euthanasia for the elderly, would we make it a common practice? Of course not. The Constitution forbids it, and THAT is the higher law, not the will of the people.
Some have said that this was a great act by a typically liberal state, standing up for its citizens’ wishes. But I see it as just another means for politicians to pander to their constituents at the expense of the Constitution.
This is an issue on which the separation of church and state becomes important.
What is the purpose of government? Is that purpose fulfilled by denying or by allowing gay marriage? What reason can we give for why the government shouldn’t allow it?
I don’t care if gays get married, provided they don’t insist on churches that believe homosexuality is wrong condoning it by allowing them to marry there. And since legalization of gay marriage will almost certainly lead to pastors getting in trouble for refusing to marry people against their (the pastor’s) convictions, I will continue to be against said legalization unless the wording of the law includes something to the effect that no pastor or church will be punished or lose tax-exempt status for refusing to marry persons for religious reasons.
@radicalramblings - Exactly.
I am also not in favor of the government infringing on my rights and telling me that I must change the definition of a religious institution. That is going beyond the boundaries set for the government by the Constitution.
YES.
@goD_I_V_Aunc10 - Agreed!
I am against gay marriage.
Im still wondering why this is still an issue…? Because it isnt fair?!?!? Guess what, LOTS of shit in life “isnt fair”… Imagine if all we did was whine like 4 year olds about how unfair EVERYTHING is..?
Shit!
I try to stay the “silent majority” in regards to shit like this because I am on the fense. I have best of friends who are homosexual and I would love for them to be married if that was what they wanted… I am also a Christian and have my feelings in that regards too.. But for real jerks.. Lets whine about EVERYTHING that isnt fair shall we..? I think a few years ago it was about illegal immigration right?
Because there really arent any bigger things going on in the world right..?
@GermanWrench - Great comment. Definitely brought up new thoughts.
love is love.
let gays marry who they want.
I’m for it. I don’t see a problem with it at all.
Yes sir, and I knew I could tell your sarcasm well. Woot.
I’m in favor of gay marriage, but against straight marriage. It’s all part of my plan to reduce the global population and excuse the fact that I haven’t proposed to my girlfriend yet.
@ChrisRusso - Agreed, get the government out of marriage.
no.
In favour since the government has no place regulating it.
Go Ambiguously Gay Duo!
I’m in favor of equal rights and the progression of freedom, so yes, I’m in favor of gay marriage.
As I posted on my own blog, I am neutral on this for now. Personally, I am against gay marriage, and this is a faith-based position I hold. Politically is another matter. It in no way effects me one way or the other that I’m aware of, so for now I do not find it a fight worth fighting, nor do I feel I could truly objective in taking a position on it either way.
In favor.
im offended by this post!
I am opposed to “gay marriage.” There is really no such thing to begin with since marriage is only between a man and a woman.
I fancy equality and an individual’s right to choose who they love and how they spend their life with that person. The government and religion have no right to take that away. So yeah, I’m for gay marriage.
YES! Let them get married! Love is love. And they’re people too.
The majority of Americans supported slavery and segregation in the schools. Does that make either acceptable? The majority of people thought the Earth was flat or that the Earth was the center of the universe. Does that make them right? What about the majority of the people that chanted for Jesus to be crucified?
All I’m trying to point out is that the majority isn’t always right and shouldn’t be regarded as such.
@randomneuralfirings - From what I know, they aren’t upholding their constitution because first they amended it to specifically exclude homosexuals from equal rights in marriage.
@AMYxJADE - That’s a reasonable worry, but what stops heterosexuals from marrying for the money? It happens all the time.
Who cares if they get married or not……why is it up to anybody else to decide. If two people want to be with each other for the rest of their lives they should go for it. Everyone deserves to be happy, straight or gay. I’m straight and I say who cares? why is it my business if two people want to be married. I’ve never met them so why should I get to make that huge decision for them? So who cares, right? People should be allowed to marry whoever makes them happy and no one should be aloud to take that away.
@lala_smileee_x - I’d rather be bullied but come home to a loving family than never be adopted.
Anyway, I vote yay gay marriage.
@Ex_Adyto_Cordis - The amendment is part of the state constitution now. If the court has the power to decide what parts of the constitution are valid and what parts aren’t, then the constitution is essentially invalid.
Now, the state constitution can be amended again, but in order to do so Californians need to go through the proper process. The proper process is not the Supreme Court.
@shards_of_beauty - No church is required to marry anybody they don’t want to. If a church wanted to, it could refuse to marry two people based on pretty much any reason.
@MomGoneMadd - Expressing frustration and trying to change something that is “unfair” is important, especially when it is a law that unconstitutionally discriminates against a minority.
I see a lot of people saying, “I’m not voting because it doesn’t involve me, I’m not gay.” But I don’t think they realize it does involve them, because if the government is permitted to impose the beliefs of others onto a group of people, who says it won’t deny rights to you next?
@randomneuralfirings - Then what’s the point of a constitution in the first place?
You are on a roll ………
@lala_smileee_x - Kids will get bullied at school regardless. If it wasn’t because of their gay parents, it’d be because of their hair, voice, level of intelligence, etc. Besides, if the parents are supportive enough, they’ll get through it just fine.
I’m also in favor of minding my own damn business aka letting gays do whatever straights can. It’s gonna seem silly to everyone 10 years from now. It’s all a civil rights movement.
@Ex_Adyto_Cordis - It got voted on… It got passed… Why is this still an issue? They asked the people to vote… we did. It passed.. *shrugs*
@storiesandsinker - I bet it’s a 3% margin of error. Then again I may have taken too many stats classes.
I know a guy who is gay and did have a civil union with his significant other. Both are wonderful people and share more love than I’ve seen in many married couples that are heterosexual. But personally I don’t think that I could really ever be for it.
nope.
Are you for or against it?
I don’t see why people really care what 2 gay people do. It’s their life, if they want to make a commitment to one another, why can’t they?
Seriously…I don’t get the big fuss about it.
I’m in favor of their human right to marry.
@eyesochinky - lol
I’m for gay marriage. I think the majority stay silent because they know they’ll get attacked for being “closed-minded homophobes”
@MomGoneMadd - Yes it got voted on and passed but why is it still an issue? Because it denies freedom to citizens based on the beliefs of the majority. If we all voted for slavery, would it cease to be an issue if it passed? No, because it affects everyone. If the majority can influence the government to infringe upon one group’s rights, it can infringe upon just about anyone’s rights. Including yours and mine.
The reasoning that I usually see behind those who oppose gay marriage are these:
Marriage isn’t only a symbol of love; it is also one of hard work, and procreating so that you have children or a child who will in someway be like you and pass on the lineage.
I know that some women are infertile, some couples can’t have sex because the other have HIV, but in a natural marriage, it is about starting a family. Most people in the US don’t see it that way anymore, because naturally when you get married it is out of deep commitment and love. But in India, the concept of starting a family and being independent of your family surpasses the concept marrying out of love. Marrying because you fell in love is actually a Westernized culture… Many who don’t follow that culture believe love should come AFTER marriage. The ability to procreate is something that can be done only between a man and a woman (The pregnant man doesn’t count… because he had organs that only a woman possesses), and that’s why people believe that marriage can only be done between those who can procreate. At least, it seems to be my observation!
Also, once I heard from those opposed to gay marriage that gay marriage would inevitably lead to the concept of beastiality becoming legal… Maybe they’re afraid that if they allow gay marriage, then someday, years later, beastiality will be in the same place gay marriage is in today.
@venomxcupcake - so it’s “believe it’s ok” or “you’re a closed minded homophobe”?? Seriously? THAT is the conclusion you came up with ?
Yes.
In my experience, I’ve found that the people who remain silent on the issue are those who are against gay marriage, and they don’t want to be vocal because they know that their beliefs will be criticized. As a strong proponent for same-sex marriages, I don’t mind speaking out because I can rightfully and logically defend my opinion. However, I can’t help but wonder if the reason the silent majority doesn’t want to be criticized is because they know they’re wrong?
i’m in favor
I just want to say, and this isn’t me stating my opinion… but there are ads to find gay singles showing up under this post. I just thought I’d share…
Yes, I support gay marriage.
@edenisms - That’s an interesting thought!
@MomGoneMadd - No, I didn’t say I think people are closed-minded homophobes for not believing in gay marriage; I said that people can be scared of saying they’re against gay marriage because they’d instantly get attacked by people who do believe they’re closed-minded homophobes. I realise I did imply that I think they’re closed-minded homophobes, but it’s not what I meant =]
I vote for it. I just think that gay marraige shouldn’t be ban. People shouldn’t really matter if they’re getting marry or not, just let them do what they want to do. Love is love. And, beside maybe the people who vote against it should take a look in their shoes. What if they wanted to marry someone who they truely love, but they couldn’t. How would they feel?
Definitely in favor.
I am in favor.
No, I’m not in favor of gay marriage. And I believe the silent majority needs to quit being silent, and SOON!
No
Marriage = the union of love between two people! End of story. Keep your religion out of other peoples lives! Unless you want other people to start controlling your life based on their religious believes!
i’m fore.
honestly, no.
@MyJudas - <3 You. For being a Lesbian Quaker = <3
Anyways, this feels weird to read, also being a lesbian. I know I’m not a resident of the states, but regardless it feels hurtful to read ‘Yea’ or ‘Nay’ by other people on the decisions that myself or other LGBT friends should have the right to decide for ourselves.
Any straight person knows they have the choice whether to get married or not. There *are* christian groups of faith that do sanction same sex unions, and affirm them as members of the body of christ. If you have a choice to get married, and can act on it or not, how can you deny someone else their right of choice?
I’m in favor of gay marriage.
I would be in favour
let them be
let everyone be
As far as I know there is currently NO ban of same sex couples getting married. There is no official BAN of this action taking place. There is only a lack of official endorsement and certification by the state. Homes are not raided and churches (that endorse such things) are not shut down because of those practices.
Secondly, why does the government get involved in marriage at all. Simple reason is that they want to protect families with children and secure the next generation of citizens. Otherwise it has no other interest in the institution at all. Same sex marriages are by nature incapable of producing the next generation so the government has no need to invest itself there.
So it comes down to the idea: does the minority have the right to force on the majority via legislation, a right to re-define the term marriage for everyone. I do not think they do. Marriage is one man and one woman. It’s a conviction rooted not only in my religious belief but in nature.
Gays and lesbians have a right to live as they choose! But they don’t have the right to re-define marriage for all of us.
@gwennieg - You go girl!
in favor
I’m against all forms of marriage.
Urg. those who think you have no clue were stupid.
@MC_Shann - As far as I know there is currently NO ban of same sex couples getting married. There is no official BAN of this action taking place. There is only a lack of official endorsement and certification by the state…
Rights, however, are being lost
So it comes down to the idea: does the minority have the right to force on the majority via legislation,
Democracy: Majority rule with minority rights. If conceptions of equal rights are being “forced on the majority,” then so be it. Comes with living in a free society.
a right to re-define the term marriage for everyone
There can be multiple, simutaneous definitions of the term. The state’s use of “marriage” can vary from your personal one. Look in any definition, there is almost more than a single definition.
Marriage is one man and one woman. It’s a conviction rooted not only in my religious belief but in nature.
Conceptions of civil rights ought not be bound by religion, tradition, or “nature.”
@elvish_fairy - Marriage isn’t only a symbol of love; it is also one of hard work, and procreating so that you have children or a child who will in someway be like you and pass on the lineage.
Awsome, with adoption, sperm bangs, and egg donors; the gay too, can start a family. Thus, they too, should be able to marry.
I’m all for gay marriage!
They should be allowed to get married and be as miserable as the straight married people!
@eyesochinky - im offended by this post!
I am offended by racist account names.
@radicalramblings - The government should not regulate marriage at all.
Given that the government does regulates marriage, what do you believe ought to be the correct policy path with regards to same-sex marriage?
In favor.
@MomGoneMadd - Im still wondering why this is still an issue…? Because it isnt fair?!?!? Guess what, LOTS of shit in life “isnt fair”… Imagine if all we did was whine like 4 year olds about how unfair EVERYTHING is..?
Shit!
This may come as a fucking suprise to you, but in a democracy, public discourse is important in deciding policy course. And much of the advances in woman’s rights and racial euality legislation came on the heels of marches and protests.
@MomGoneMadd - It got voted on… It got passed… Why is this still an issue? They asked the people to vote… we did. It passed.. *shrugs*
Most likely, come 2010 and/or 2012, the issue will find its way on the ballots again.
of course
@CelestialTeapot - What rights are being lost? As of now they can do whatever they want to do. Like I said before they are not being forcefully stopped from partaking in any ceremony they want to perform. Even in states where same sex marriage is not recognized the law is not arresting them for performing “so-called” marriage ceremonies.
@MC_Shann - What rights are being lost? As of now they can do whatever they want to do.
Taxes. Hospital visitation rights. Inter-state recognition of the marriage.
i’m in favor of it
For.
Absolutely
hells yeah i’m for gay marriage!
I believe in tolerance.
We are not a free nation until there are EQUAL RIGHTS FOR ALL!! Black white gay straight we are all equal and should be treated as such! I live in Connecticut where gay marriage has been around for a few years and almost everyone is for it, so it’s hard for me to conceive of the fact that most people in America don’t agree with it. Look around you people, you are denying others of rights! I hate people that say “it doesn’t affect me” because it does! Our nation is supposed to be the land of the free…but gays are being denied rights, they are being bullied at schools, and it’s up to us to stop it! All of us as a nation need to see our faults and correct them.
end rant here. haha.
I actually don’t care. Of all the social issues to get angry about, what two people who love each other do with their lives is not a huge concern in the light of, for example, human trafficking. Or unemployment. When do you ever see human trafficking get mass media coverage? Never. Never mind that your daughter could get kidnapped and sold into sex slavery, there’s two homos that want to get hooked up, and damn, that is clearly an attack on America!
@CelestialTeapot -
Wow for a person whose fighting so passionately for freedom of marriage, you sure don’t care about freedom of culture. You don’t really address it in a polite tone. But I digress, if that’s your tone, let me use mine.
What I had stated above was what people believe. Some people don’t believe in adoption, and it isn’t only that… do you have any idea how fucking hard it is to adopt a child? It takes months, even years to adopt a child, because of all the background checks. Adopting a child is no walk in the park, which is why many people don’t do it in the first place. Its not like Matilda where all you do is sign adoption papers. You have to be financially stable, have a clean record, and let’s face it, in today’s economy rarely anybody’s like that anymore.
@elvish_fairy - Wow for a person whose fighting so passionately for freedom of marriage, you sure don’t care about freedom of culture.
What does freedom of culture even mean?
What I had stated above was what people believe. Some people don’t believe in adoption, and it isn’t only that… do you have any idea how fucking hard it is to adopt a child?
Likewise, many opposite-sex married couples end up not having kids.
1) To answer your question, yes. I do think gays should have the right to marry. It’s been mentioned in the replies before, but separate but equal doesn’t work. Brown vs. Board of Ed is a great example of this.
2) In response to you saying that some may think gay marriage is “icky”: You said on the 26th: “My concern is that we have come to the place where we have emotional appeals running the censorship at xanga. Some in the community were upset at the idea so xanga took the post down.” MY concern is that we have come to the place where we have emotional appeals running the revoking of people’s rights.
3) The majority has NEVER protected the rights of the minority. It is not fair to say that the majority can vote away the rights of a minority that is not favored for whatever reason.
4) The Bible also condones slavery and indicates that women are property.
5) In regards to laying with a man as a man lays with a woman, at the time the Bible was written it was common practice for men to rape others (women AND men) in order to show who was boss. When soldiers would come through and rape the villagers, men were included. So… the Bible is saying not to rape people. And we already knew that, anyway, didn’t we?
6) Marriage is not the property of Christians. Atheists, Jews, Muslims, etc etc, all get married. A person could get a marriage license from a courtroom and bypass the religion altogether. So what’s next? Atheists can’t marry because they don’t believe in God? Jews can’t marry because they don’t believe in Jesus as the Christ?
7) Just something to ponder: Who will God approve of more? A gay person for loving another person with all their heart, or a Christian for hating them for their love?
A little bit of a response to your last two posts. Enjoy!
I don’t think it matters who you love or who you marry.Â
I’m in favor of it. This topic gets me very heated up.
Absolutely.
I am all for it. If someone truly loves someone, NO ONE should ever have the right to tell them they can’t marry them.
I am in favor of allowing gays the same legal rights as heterosexuals. Call it what you want.
Neutral.
-David
No, it is not ok for gays to marry.
@radicalramblings - I am so glad you were the first to post here, because I knew you would say this, and I am so glad it was the first thing said
No.
You should be allowed to marry any person you love regardless of race, religion, or gender.
@lala_smileee_x - NO they wouldn’t! It’s changing every day – ppl maturing every day. It may be one more thing for a kid to use as an excuse to bully another kid, but then the bully’s parents didn’t do their job, wouldn’t you say?
I wonder if you actually know anyone who is homosexual/bisexual or have homosexual parents…
yes. i don’t understand people that are against it. how ridiculous.
@petitenoirtenue -
I wish I’d had two gay dads (or moms) instead of the parents that I was stuck with.
Its none of my business how consenting adults run their lives. I strongly support gay marriage.
@shards_of_beauty - re: ” I will continue to be against said
legalization unless the wording of the law includes something to the
effect that no pastor or church will be punished or lose tax-exempt
status for refusing to marry persons for religious reasons.”
Churches are not chastised for refusing to marry members that are not of their faith now, so why would gay marriage be any different? Catholics can and do refuse to marry non-Catholics, Rabbi’s can and do refuse to marry interfaith couples. No one has ever made any argument of religious discrimination. Also, why would a couple insist on being married in a congregation that did not support them?
@CelestialTeapot - I’m offended that you find my racist account name to be offensive.
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They can do as they wish. It’s not like heterosexual marriage would become illegal if homosexual marriage becomes legal.
@venomxcupcake - I will choose to remain part of the silent majority, precisely for the reasons you’ve stated. I’ve stopped bothering to exercise my right to free speech, because for every attempt to defend my stance, there will be five people – often batshit – who will shove their pro-gay marriage agendas in my face and call me a closed-minded homophobe.
100% in favor.
@lala_smileee_x - Before you form an opinion, you should do some research.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/10/12/health/webmd/main938234.shtml
http://www.webmd.com/mental-health/news/20051012/study-same-sex-parents-raise-well-adjusted-kids
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/07161/793042-51.stm
There is nothing wrong with a gay couple adopting children. Don’t feel sorry for the kids. Be happy that they now have a family and aren’t in foster care until they’re 18.
Absolutely NOT in favor!
Not only is this against God’s laws, but when it comes to sex, I cannot, simply cannot comprehend the ACT OF SEX of gays. Like, hello?! The penis was made to be inserted in the VAGINA of a woman. The anus is NOT part of lovemaking. The anus is where your feces come out. And this is really, really, really dirty. Think of all those bacteria inside your anus!
Ugh.
People. They’re stupid sometimes.
I’ll speak out for the (rather) silent majority. I think we’re making too big a leap trying to change the definition of marriage which has been in place for centuries.
@c_jamaica - Since when does America have to follow YOUR God’s “laws”? Separation of church and state, anyone?Â
Idiot.
@radicalramblings - Agreed. I don’t think the government has a place in any marriage, homosexual or otherwise. I’d rather that it just be something done on a personal level without the government making rules about how it works.
I don’t understand why they’d want to marry with a religious wedding ceremony, especially the ones that have faux-Christian/Catholic ceremonies. Why would they want to be apart of something that doesn’t accept them?
I’m for gay marriage. I’m not particularly silent about it. I sign the HRC’s petitions & stuff, but haven’t found any protests to attend …
Yesterday on CNN some lady called in and was seriously offended that same-sex marriage even be compared to civil rights. IDK why, but I don’t see how its not.
For all these people worried about the sanctity of marriage and the children, wtf about divorce? Whats so sacred about randomly meeting someone & getting married by an Elvis impersonator at 2 in the morning & mail-order spouses & these people that claim their holiness that end up cheating on their family with prostitutes.
Theres really no place to ban same-sex marriage.
I’m completely in favour of gay marriage, and it comes down to this: what on this earth, or in heaven, should prevent two people from being happy? Nothing.
Also, do you not believe that God created human beings, whom he loves? This being a given, does it not mean that God created gay people who he loves as well?
I support same sex marriages, i think they’ve been legal in the UK since 2005, so i was 13 at the time meaning i was never really aware of when they weren’t legal, so for me, living in Brighton (the ‘gay capital’ of the UK), same sex marriages are nothing out of the ordinary.
I am definitely for gay marriage. But I’m Canadian, so don’t let me skew your results. I am also Christian though, so although I would not get married to a gay person, I don’t see why someone who doesn’t subscribe to my beliefs be forced to live according to them.Assuming that that churches aren’t forced to marry anyone they don’t want to, the government should absolutely give gay people the right to marry one another.
Personally I would be happy with civil union because to me marriage is just a piece of paper and a band of gold. The relationship and the joy of being together matters more to me than any official document. Having said that, the trouble with civil union for someone who is gay AND religious, is that a civil union just won’t do it. It has to be marriage and the rights of people who feel that way should be respected and allowed.
@eyesochinky - I’m offended that you find my racist account name to be offensive.
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Oh. Racial epithets can be construed offensively regardless of their context. That they’re embedded in a cute phrase and associated with a cute Xagan doesn’t change the fact.
@StewieIsMyHero - Seconded.
The only reason it’s even being talked about in the first place is because Christianity has such influence in our government. Homosexuals are less different that blacks or women, and are hated and discriminated against just as bad (if not worse) than blacks and women ever were. It’s completely fucking ridiculous!
The presumptuous pretentious ASSholes who think that they have a right to decide whether or not two people of the same gender can get married? Who the fuck do they think they are? It’s one thing to feel uncomfortable about homosexuality, and it’s one thing to disagree with the idea of said homosexuals getting married. It is something else ENTIRELY, however, to assume you are allowed to arbitrate such decisions.
The whole thing drives me fucking crazy every time I think about it, (which is why I avoid doing so when I can help it). I MEAN, WHAT COULD BE MORE IMPORTANT THAN PREVENT THEM THAR QUEERS FROM GITTIN’ MARRIED?!?!?!??! Man, I’m from South Carolina, and my father was raised in Kentucky. He’s about as redneck as anyone can be, and he doesn’t really like the idea of homosexuals getting married. He also understands, however, that it doesn’t matter what he thinks ‘cos it’s not his place to make that sort of decision about someone else’s life.
This crap infuriates me; I’ma stop rambling before I become completely incoherent -.-
I’m in favor.
I see the word gay (aka ***) on your post on top blogs. CENSORSHIP!!!!!
@radicalramblings - I absolutely agree.
@MomGoneMadd - So by that logic, black people should have just sucked it up and stayed in the back of the bus? If you don’t speak out (or “whine”) about things you feel are unfair, those things will just keep on happening. Apathy is the most dangerous feeling in the world.
@GermanWrench - Absolutely. Laws are in place to protect the minority from the majority. Thank the gods on that one, when you look at the rampant ignorance and bigotry out there.
As for polls like this one…statistics can be pretty vague. How big was the sample? Who was asked these questions (I for one have never been asked to respond to a Gallup poll in my whole life)?
And the voters – here I think apathy comes in. When such a resolution is up for a vote, those against gay marriage galvanize their forces. Churches encourage people to go out and vote for their idea of “sacred marriage”. Horrified bigots everywhere get ready to knock down this new equality.
As for the other side, you’ve got strong and passionate support from the minority, gay people who want to get married, and their friends and family, and a sea of people who don’t care quite enough to get off their couches on election day. A lot of them are probably for gay marriage, or at least don’t care, but it doesn’t affect their lives, so why bother? And while conservative churches are well-funded and well-organized, BLTG groups don’t have the manpower to get the message out to folks who might change the tide.
Apathy and ignorance. Goverments and corporations everywhere are cheering them on.
@sahel578 - I wouldn’t trade my parents, but I agree with you. The only way anyone should have a say in marriage/raising kids is if there’s abuse going on. ♥
@c_jamaica - Not all gay couples do it up the butt hun. Though lots of heterosexuals do. Most of my bfs try to convince me to do anal. ♥
NO. Absolutely NOT.
az long az marrij izza str8 institushun it remaynz a crok of shit
Dear Dan: Marriage is an institution hallowed by tradition and based on the Word of God Himself. Its purposes are many and are absolutely necessary, as it forms the basis of civilization itself. The family unit is the bedrock upon which all human society rests. Marriage formalizes that unit, incurs God’s Blessings upon it and works to provide a home in which children can be protected, nurtured and raised in Grace. Without it, civilization collapses into ruin. Its sanctity is essential. That point cannot be overstated. Homosexual “marriage” is a denial of this. It seeks to legitimize unnatural desires and that alone. It produces no natural love, no children and no future. To grant such “unions” the status of marriage is to degrade its very concept and, thereby, to threaten the foundations of all decent human endeavor.
Until the day a gay person/s do wrong to me ie cheat, steal, torment, rob me that will be the day I care. Otherwise what ever makes a person happy is their business. I also believe that if same sex couples want the marriage so badly then one should change sex. Watch the program on SBS television called the “Nightmare world of Sex Change in Iran”. There are 470 sex change operations performed annually.
Wooooo gay people rock so let them get married.
I believe that all “marriages” in this country, from a governmental standpoint, are civil unions, and thus homosexuals should have the same rights as anyone wanting a civil union. Homosexual marriage as a religious institution ALREADY EXISTS. So, no matter your opinion on that point, it’s moot. It exists. Get over it.
So everybody has a right to love? EXCEPT them? I don’t think so. Let them love and be loved. As long as they don’t go on crime sprees or something, why should it matter? Love is the glue to life. I don’t think they deserve to be falling apart due to others’ opinions. *silently walks away*
no
I don’t have any right to say who can marry and who can’t. I am not God. But I am for gay marriage.
@CelestialTeapot - Are you offended because you’re Asian? Chinese? Or you just feel offended simply because there’s the word “chinky” in it? Not that I really care, but I am curious.
@onlyFORaLILwhile - C’mon. The recipient has a choice in receiving alimony or not.
I’m in favor. I don’t see how it adversely affects straight people at all. If the church doesn’t want to acknowledge gay marriage, let it not perform the wedding ceremony. Marriage is really just a paper you get signed for the legal benefits anyway.
thos that dont support it r h8trz.
You know Dan I haven’t decided for myself on this one yet. I guess I lean toward not allowing gay marriage. I definately think that gay marriage/ gay sex is wrong, being a Christian myself. However, I’m not big on government control either. America is a free country, so if gays aren’t allowed, what next? Could Christians ever not be allowed, like in some countries. But then I do believe God has blessed America, for being a Christian nation, And wonder if he would continue to bless us if we became like Sodom and Gomorah, where gay sex was prevelent, and if you believe the Bible, which I do, God destroyed those lands with fire. It may not be fire now a days.. but he could allow another September 11th, or something of the sort. So those are my thoughts on it, although if I got to vote on it today I probably wouldn’t because I am still unsure if I think we should allow it or not. Are you going to tell us where you really stand on it?
@lala_smileee_x - So? Kids get bullied for all kinds of crap. That’s what happens in school. Besides, I don’t feel like that kind of teasing will be common or even tolerated pretty soon because gay couples/parents are becoming more accepted.
@MicheleWasHere - Sodom and Gomorrah, really? That story was referring to *rape* and not consensual gay sex. There is a big difference. If you look at the original text (before it was translated a million times) and consider the societies the bible spoke of, you will see that it actually doesn’t refer to anything remotely close to homosexuality as we know it today. It talks about rape, ritualistic sex, etc. between members of the same sex (but those things are condemned for reasons unrelated to the sex of those involved). Besides, we are not a Christian nation. Our founders were men of the Enlightenment. They were mostly deists. They put the establishment clause in place for a reason.
@hervantagepoint - To be honest you sound like you don’t know what you’re talking about to me. I mean many of the people who came here in the first place were Christians fleeing persecution in England, hence they put on our coins, “In God we trust.” God says in the Bible not to have sex men with men and women with women very clearly. A lot of people twist the Bible to say what they want it to say and you sound like just another one of those to me.
@MomGoneMadd - Easy for you to say. You’re not gay. But for people who are in love with someone of the same sex, it’s a huge deal. If my girlfriend were to get hurt, I could not see her in the hospital or have any control over medical decisions that were made. If one of us were to die, there would be a good possibility that we would not be able to leave the other person anything as far as money, property, etc. because since we are not married, that person’s family would be entitled to those things. These are rights that straight people take for granted.
@MicheleWasHere - ”In God We Trust” did not appear until the Civil War. Nothing to do with our founders. And if you are speaking of Leviticus, you should consider what the book was before assuming its message: it was a book of laws to keep the Israelites separate from their neighbors. Those people living in the vicinity participated in activities that included temple prostitution. The chapter and verses surrounding it refers to idolatry, and this passage is no exception. The bible was written 2,000 years ago in different languages and by people in different cultures. We need to research and take things into consideration before jumping to conclusions about what the bible is referencing.
how bout we all just burn in hell?
yes in favor
I’m in favor of gay marriage.
@Malpa - Unfortunately, civil unions don’t usually come with all the rights of marriage, and even if they did, separate is not equal.
The founders of our country were Christians regauardless of when the phrase appeared on our coins. Even if the phrase appeared in Lincolns time it still was there, a representation of us remaining a Christian nation.
As far as the Bible, you are completely twisting it to say what you wish it said. You really aren’t going to change my mind. I had a mom who studied the Bible in it’s original language for over an hour a day, made us sit through family devotions for another half hour a day, and showed us everything she read, from the origninal languages. I went to a Christian school K-12, had Bible class every day, and also had to take several Theology classes at my Christian college. I’ve read the Bible myself. Went to church 3 times a week growing up. Who are you anyways? Just another person who twists the Bible in my opinion. I have more respect for people who just say they don’t believe the Bible than people like you. Please don’t keep repeating yourself. You’re beginning to bore me already.
well marriage DOES come from religion…
@lizheartshakespeare - You beat me to it. That and other people’s personal lives are not really any of my business (as long as they’re not hurting anybody). Why shouldn’t two people who love each other be allowed to be publicly together? Am I missing something here?
@MicheleWasHere - America, UNDER LAW, has NO official religion. That is all.
The point is that when you say the word marriage, at least for those who oppose gay marriage for belief reasons, it is concept deeply rooted in most religions as the sacred union between a man and a woman. So legalizing gay marriage clearly jars this idea by making it between two persons of same gender instead. When you say civil union, it just denotes the legal recognition that these two people will be living together as a unit and so are entitled to certain rights because of that. Therein lies the difference. One is a state with deep religious implications and the latter a completely secular matter. IMO marriage is a union that is recognized by God. SO, If God has made clear that homosexuality is a sin them legally marrying doesn’t make much of a difference does it? He wouldn’t recognize them as a married couple. Now I’m not typing to judge gay couples or say hateful things about them I’m just giving my own perspective.
@SerendipityCo - Did God whisper that into your ear recently? Every time I asked him about it he always told me to listen to Jesus. What was that thing Jesus said? Oh…oh, yeah. I remember now. “Love one another.” I could be wrong, though. Maybe they translated that incorrectly. Or, again, I’ve missed something that makes sense.
Woah woah woah for all those comments trying to imply that the Bible somehow allows homosexuality as long as both parties are willing please read Romans 1: 18-32.
Yes. Absolutely.
I favor it. We’re all sinners.
@MicheleWasHere - They were not. I would encourage you to read more about them, because many of the founders have criticized religion, and Christianity specifically, on many occasions. Again, most of them were deists.
I don’t care what you have read. If that is true, then by all means use that knowledge to refute my claims. But don’t just say I’m wrong and throw your education in my face; demonstrate that you are right. I don’t believe in the bible, but that doesn’t mean that I draw conclusions about what it means without learning a thing or two first.
@SerendipityCo - If you are referring to my post, “as long as both parties are willing” was really referring to Sodom and Gomorrah, because that was a case of rape. However, Romans is another instance that is referring to idolatry. In short, ritualistic sex, that occurred between members of both the opposite and same sex, was something that happened in that society at that time. Hence that those people exchanged the truth of god for a lie, worshipped idols, etc. The contexts and translations are key to understanding these passages.
@hervantagepoint - that kinda discrimination isnt gonna go away over night you know, im just worried for all the kids that self harm and stuff >_< bullying can be a really big impact on kids lives…
i saw some people reply to me yesterday, but um too many comments to flick through.. something about maturing? well the thing is kids arent mature.. =/ im only 17.. still being in school life.. ive only really seen people mature when they pass 16 i think… when i was in secondary school, this kid was always bullied for being gay =/ also.. i remember someone said ’going back to a loving family’ .. when kids are given a hard school life.. im not sure they’re gonna feel jolly about it every single day. thats all i remember >_<
@SilverMei - Oh I know that. It was still founded by Christians and up until recently despite what it technically is they had the 10 commandments up in public schools, God written on the coins, You can’t deny that Christianity was a big part of our society. It is becoming less and less like that, for instance as gay marriage is getting leagalized in some states, and I just wonder if God will continue to bless us.
@hervantagepoint - actually I have no desire to go to the library, get a Strongs concordence, which I will need to look up the Bible verses I have in mind. I honestly don’t give a fuck what you think, and don’t really enjoy debating with people, especially about politics and religion. I didn’t message you, you messaged me. I have no desire to debate with anyone on the subject. I simply stated my opinion when asked by Dan. Now I know why I do not usually comment on these popular blogs about current events.
I am on xanga to vent about my personal life and sometimes comment on others blogs that I either find interesting, or simply because they are frequent visitors to my blog. I don’t come on here to waste my time debating with people who I will never convince of anything, because they obviously have a strong opinion on the subject just like I do, and will also not be convinced. So why would I want to waste an hour of my time going back and forth with you when my 2 year old is standing by the kitchen gate holding up a book and asking me to read it to him, I have to go pick up my check at 2:00 and pay the rent, clean the house, and meet up with my friends at 5:00. GET IT?? I don’t want to debate with you or anyone really. That is not why I am on xanga. Do I need to keep repeating myself??? It is not worth my time. So instead of trying to convince someone who doesn’t give a fuck what you think, why don’t you go do something productive such as jacking off. (sorry if you are a girl but I don’t really have time to check your profile.)
‘But time and time again when it is put to the voters, the voters say “No.”‘
You can’t really call them the “silent” majority, then, can you?
I’m all for gay marriage. We already have it here, and it hasn’t adversely affected me at all.
Dan this is a very interesting question. It hits at roots very deep and intertwined. First and foremost, it is of the highest degree of bullshitery that our government would deny marital rights based upon biblical text. I myself am not a religious man, but I am spiritual. I do believe Jesus was a great man, and whether or not he is my savior is nil. I still live by his teachings and follow his guidance. It’s all about the bettering of humanity in my eyes.
Secondly, what right does the government have to dictate who can and can’t get married? There are only two reasons I can think of that are in the area of being protective: 1) When minor’s are involved. 2) When someone who is not mentally capable of making a decision such as marriage attempts to get married (but truly even this is hard to rationalize in many cases.)
Personally I can respect a man’s personal choice of religion. I understand that as a faithful Christian there is a desire to convert an individual so that their soul may be saved from a torturous eternity in hell. However, Empirical Christianity is disgusting, it’s not what the bible teaches and it is not what the words of Jesus Christ taught. If you have no interest in homosexuality and have no desire for seeing or being involved with a homosexual relationship then that is your choice and your business. But what two men or two women do behind closed doors is their business and constitutionally we have no right to deny them marriage. They are tax paying, law abiding citizens just like the rest of us average joe’s.
In short and to summarize what I think should be the vital idea behind this issue is that it’s hard enough to be content in life as it is. Finding someone who loves you, and who you love; two people who make each other happy. Well that’s difficult in of itself. Let people be if they aren’t hurting anyone else.
@lala_smileee_x - I agree, it’s not anywhere close to over. There will always be
prejudice and discrimination. The civil rights movement was way before
I was born, but unfortunately we still have racism. No doubt homophobia
will continue for a long time. But I think kids today, like ones who
are very young right now, will see things much differently than we do.
By the time they’re in high school, I would be willing to bet that most
Americans will even support gay marriage. The percentage of people who
do is already up significantly from 2004.
@MicheleWasHere - Then you don’t need to respond to me. Quit whining and getting so worked up. It’s really not that big of a deal.
Yes, I am in favor of same-gender marriages.
I’m in favor of gay marriage. Â Sure, it might be against the Bible, but aren’t church and state supposed to be separate?
YES! Anything else is just discrimination.
The silent majority only appears to be silent because anti-gay sentiment is directly correlated to an aging population. I know my grandparents don’t know how to use the internet to vocalize their homophobic opinios. Do yours?
For it was love that brought two souls together, and hate that tore them apart. Do not hate, appreciate.- Unicorn.
No. Two people of the same gender cannot truly be married. Real marriage is only between one man and one woman.
i am lizard, hear me rawr!
No
@IdrinkJonesSoda - Unfortunately.. “Studies show that partner abuse occurs as often
in homosexual relationships as it does in heterosexual ones. However,
lesbians and gay individuals may be even less likely than other victims
to report abuse or to seek help.”
I am for gay marriage.
If you’re doing something that’s not bothering anyone else, who the fuck cares?
In favor.
let them get married!
who am i to say who you can and cannot love … ?
50 years ago interracial marriage was illegal …
i will never say that someone who is gay should not get married
i’m all for it =)
Giving or taking civil rights is not a matter for the voters. If we had put the Amendments 13, 14, 15, and 19 to a popular vote, they probably would’ve been voted down.
“The support of legalizing gay marriage is in no way meant to change the
ideals of the section of Christians who believe that homosexuality is a
sin. But we should refuse to let other people’s ideals shape the way we
live our lives. Each of us has a short ride on this earth and as long
as we stay in our lane, and don’t affect someone else’s ride, we should
be allowed to drive as we see fit.”
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rob-thomas/the-big-gay-chip-on-my-sh_b_208183.html
In favor of gay marriage (union, whatever you want to call it. just allow it). nobody has any right to say who you are allowed to love.
1 Man + 1 Woman = Marriage. Period.
Yes I’m in favor of gay marriage.
Marriage is between one man and one woman.
Yes it is against the Bible, and for those who say aren’t church and state supposed to be seperate, then you’re kinda missing the whole point of there being a Bible, and following what it says.
you would also have to tell alot of people that most of their moral sshould be seperate from the law as well, yet isn’t that the whole point of the law?
Yes!
America is NOT a Christian nation, so who cares if it’s against God or the Bible? Religion shouldn’t have anything to do with this.
Even if gay marriage does offend Christians, it doesn’t negatively affect them in any way. People need to learn to deal with things that make them uncomfortable.
I’m completely in favor of gay marriage.
@ShamrockLover - Took the words right out of my mouth!
What upsets me the most are those who think they have a right to tell someone whether or not they are able to marry their partner. Who do you think you are? What gives you the right to make decisions for a relationship that you AREN”T EVEN IN? Seriously, people are so questionable sometimes and extremely selfish. Everyone has their own life. You have your OWN life. Worry about yours and stay out of others. Unless they are trying to harass you or stick something up your butt, get over it. For those who oppose because of their own beliefs, say it with me. Those are YOUR beliefs. That does NOT apply to everyone. If you think homosexuals are going to Hell, then let them find that out for themselves. They do not need you to harass them with your beliefs. For goodness sake, why can’t we just allow people to be happy? I don’t understand why the marriage of two homosexuals would have such a great impact on those that are not in the relationship.
Don’t like gay marriage? Don’t have one. Think they are going to Hell? Let them find out for themselves.
It doesn’t effect me in any way, so why should I care? Or the rest of the heterosexual population for that matter.
@the_rocking_of_socks - And yes, church and state should be seperate, but most of the voters against same-sex marriage don’t really think about it that way, I’m assuming.
I think that marriage is something between two people, regardless of their sex. I think that marriage should be founded on the love between two people – not just the love between a man and a woman. We have heterosexual marriage now; we have a ridiculous divorce rate. There are gay couples that have been together for years and aren’t allowed to get married just because they are gay, but straight couples are allowed to get married and divorced as many times as they want?
I suppose it is safe to say that I wholeheartedly support gay marriage. I also support gay adoption. Children need to be loved – regardless of whether that’s by a mother and a father, two mothers, or two fathers.
Nice post.
did u look at the entire gallup poll?
the majority is against gay marriage but for the expansion of civil union/domestic partnerships & other gay rights…
which makes ZERO sense LOL T_T
I’m in favor – but most ppl who care about it enough to read the post care strongly because A) like me, it affects them personally or B) they have a lot of time on their hands to really really hate something that doesn’t affect them. So most ppl against it wouldn’t care enough to read this post.
Laws were invented to protect minorities from the unfairness of a majority. Else we wouldn’t have any equal rights – do you know how many racists are out there?? 40% should be enough.
Yes this is OUR beliefs. I never said that this is a Christian nation. It was created as one, but its not the case anymore. isn’t the law about what is moral and right? Where do most people get their morals from? They don’t just decide one day, hmmm i think killing someone might be wrong… or decide to not lie because its the wrong thing to do.
There is a reason there was adam and eve, not adam and steve.
There is a reason why disney movies only made love stories that involove a man and a womne falling in love
There is a reason why guys can’t have babies by screwing other guys
There is a reason why girls can’t have babies by screwing other girls
There is a reason why the bible says stuff against homosexuality
Lets throw morals out the window and decide for ourselves
I don’t think gays should marry.
@AlmostGettingThere - I have morals because I have a CONSCIENCE.
@ILikeWednesdays - well said.
little voices inside you head tells you what is wrong and right too?? =o
I support gay marriage.Â
@StewieIsMyHero - Me too. I don’t want to get into other people’s lives as well.
@WhenHateIsTheOnlyOption - Isn’t it a little eerie that our government is allowed to do this? Imagine what they’ll do next.
i think anyone should be able to do whatever they want. if they’re not bothering you then leave them alone.
@AlmostGettingThere - But not everyone believes in the bible. And are you implying that the government’s role is to regulate morality? Because that is so far from being true, it’s ridiculous.
Love is love. The government can’t “regulate” who we fall in love with. Why should they be allowed to dictate who we can marry?
As for the “icky”-ness, I remember some dude saying “Why is it that, as a culture, we are more comfortable seeing two men olding guns than holding hands?”
So wrong, yet so true.Â
Society values are seriously messed up sometimes…Â
Although America was founded on Christian principles, that doesn’t make it a Christian nation.Â
I’m totally in favor of gay marriage.Â
You can’t have any right answer in present system of the government which decide things by numbers and discussion.
Government should not be involved for any reason besides maybe a census. I do feel bad for kids, but heterosexual homes are just are effed up too. As long as it’s clear where they came from, okay. Yet it will be interesting to see how kids turn out 30-40 years from now.
I am totally against gay marriage in all ways possible. It IS against God and what the Bible says. Get out your dusty Bible and look it up. It’s wrong in all aspects. God created Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve. Gays need to realize that the lifestyle that they have CHOSEN does not mean they should be granted special favors or that all of a sudden we should make it a normal part of life. I’m not going to accept such nonsense. A marriage should be between one man and one woman and I don’t agree or accept anything else. Gays were NOT BORN gay. God is against it, and he did NOT create us in that way to have those desires. Gays can blame themselves for being gay and for being judged by society. They had it coming to them. I agree that if two people love each other, nothing else matters, but that goes for heterosexuals only. You can’t LOVE someone of the same sex as yourself on that intimate level, it’s just NOT right in any way, shape, or form. I’m sure I’ll get haters on me for this post, but I’m just so sick of hearing about gays. Gays this, gays that. They are not special, they are an abomination is what they are. Gays need to realize they are wrong. I’m sorry that you are trying to just figure out who you are and who you are supposed to be with for the rest of your life, but it shouldn’t be with someone of your same sex. That’s not how God planned it. You were not born this way and you don’t deserve respect or any special favors because you CHOOSE to be gay. Deal with the criticism and the judgement from some of the society and learn that your ways are wrong. Sorry to sound brutal and harsh, but that’s the truth of it that nobody will accept these days. For the government to have to pass a law to make gay marriage legal, then obviously it IS wrong, or it would already have been legal because it would have been a normal way of life, but because gays have gotten so much controversy about it, that already tells you that it’s wrong. I don’t know how else to explain it. It should be clear and simple to see.
Of course I’m in favour.
@jec_748 - hear hear. I’m glad someone elaborated for the rest of us.
As a Buddhist, I think you’re all deluded. Har
Yes, gay couples should be able to marry.
im glad someone agreed with me. For the rest of you, you are blind to the truth of what is right.
I am all for gay marriage. It’s not fair they are being denied their rights!
I don’t think homosexuals should be permitted to marry heterosexuals.
@the_loveliest_tragedy - id like to know your opinion (if you are against it). other than religion and “ickyness”, why don’t you think gays should marry?
really, i don’t need to read any more responses to why people are for it.
I believe that marriage is a sacrament in the Church and therefore, religious. Therefore, it would be up to the discretion of the Church on whether it would marry homosexuals.
As far as the government issue. I believe that two consenting adults should be allowed to be in legal contracts together no matter what their orientation is.
I think that we should approach this Doomsday style.
I think that we should form a huge defensive wall around the most populated homosexual state in the US, and instead of preventing zombies from getting over the walls…we shoot down the homosexuals from getting over the walls. Instead of using actual bullets, the machine guns shoot out lubrication and small packets of cherry flavored vagina liquid.
But no, on a serious note…I don’t mind 2-3 states allowing gay marriage, but I’m against allowing gay marriage on every state in the US. I don’t want America to turn into a bi-sexual.
LET THEM BE TOGETHER, DAMN IT!
Honest answer: I stay silent because I am indifferent. I believe I am more on the side of opposing gay marriage though.
well i dont really WANT gay marriage to be allowed, but i was grown up with a strict italian family and no one in my family is “gay”. although i dont want it to be legal i dont see why it should not be allowed. i guess i am stuck in the middle. this may sound totaly absurd and offend alot of people on here but i once read in a psychology book at school that people who were gay had something different occurring in their brain than people who where straight. i know this sounds crazy..and i dont remember correctly what that difference was..i think some hormone was overactive or under-active or something crazy. please dont quote me on this though! if this is true…why dont we fix it? and have a man and woman marry . after-all, the whole purpose of the human race or any species is to reproduce, and you cannot do such a thing between a homosexual couple.
I don`t think any church should be forced to marry anyone. It is their institution and they may operate it as they wish, whether I agree with their reasoning or not.
But, I think any 2 consenting adults should be allowed to marry. It is not an issue which should be voted on. It is unconstitutional for the church, or government, to ban gay marriage. It is a violation of human rights, in fact. In short, yes. I think gay people should be allowed to marry. And I think preventing this is morally, ethically and constitutionally wrong.
I don`t think any church should be forced to marry anyone. It is their institution and they may operate it as they wish, whether I agree with their reasoning or not.
But, I think any 2 consenting adults should be allowed to marry. It is not an issue which should be voted on. It is unconstitutional for the church, or government, to ban gay marriage. It is a violation of human rights, in fact. In short, yes. I think gay people should be allowed to marry. And I think preventing this is morally, ethically and constitutionally wrong.
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unfortunately America is already bi-sexual. my mom is a middle school guidance counselor and she says the main worries of all the young girls is whether or not they like boys or girls…its horrible, it was never like that for me growing up, no one even considered it as these children do now.
@beauty_is__thin - NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!
@lala_smileee_x - any kid can get bullied. just because their parents are gay/lesbian means nothing. fat kids get bullied, nerdy kids get bullied, average, middle class kids gets bullied. it’s ‘unfair’ for any kid. just because they would be raised by homosexual parents doesn’t mean they will get “mega bullied.”
screw gays!!
I am in favor of legalizing same-sex marriage. As a gay man, I am no different than anyone of you except for the fact that I am sexually attracted to persons of the same sex. I am still an American citizen and deserve the rights that are guaranteed to every other American citizen. I hope to one day be able to marry a man that I have fallen in love with and raise a family with him…what is wrong with that?
and to those that have discussed the negative affects on children being adopted by same-sex couples, I know and am close friends with three straight kids, now college students, raised in gay homes. We have discussed their experiences multiple times, and they all have said that their upbringing was no different than mine. They grew up in a home with two loving parents who pushed them to be the best. They all agree that they would not change a thing about their childhood and are grateful to their parents who saved them from the child welfare system that continues to fall short in its protection and aid to foster children.
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Yes!
@lala_smileee_x - Psychological research has shown that children in homosexual families are raised to be normal, happy, healthy adults. Don’t feel bad for them; be glad that they have two parents.
Pro-same-sex marriage
@GermanWrench - AMEN! err…R’AMEN!
@jec_748 - You use words like obvious, clear, simple to describe this issue.. I don’t think it is any of these things, just like I don’t think that most things in the bible or associated with its teaching can be called “obvious,” “clear,” or “simple.”
I also find your point on the controversy surrounding the issue to be interesting, as wasn’t there a time when Christianity was controversial? If gay marriage is wrong because it’s controversial, couldn’t that make Christianity wrong also? It was and is controversial…
I admire your passion for your beliefs, I just find your stance interesting, and the way you articulate your position… odd.
Yes, I support homosexuality and gay marriage (I’m straight btw).
@MicheleWasHere - It’s kind of disappointing how tiny your view of America is. Just because you’ve grown up surrounded by Christian society doesn’t mean that’s the only type of people there are in America. The true heart of America is based on freedom: the freedom to worship as you please, the freedom to love who you wish, the freedom to earn an education, the freedom to reach higher and make your life better. There are plenty of oppressors who have tried to keep other people from their rights to those freedoms, but that doesn’t mean America wasn’t originally founded for those purposes. America is a nation of many religions and races, from Buddhists to Athiests. It has never been just a bunch of white Christians. There have always been many different kinds of people in America, and that’s what makes this country so unique and mighty. I know that, eventually, the true heart of all people in America will win, and things will be made right. It takes time, but the right thing will be done. Perhaps you should broaden your educational horizons and take some time out to learn about all the other people there are in America, and for that matter, the world itself.
Whether you like who people sleep with or not it’s none of your business. Equality, including rights, means that we all get the same rights and priveleges, period. There are not supposed to be distinctions for people unless they are in violation of the law, etc. You might not like someone sleeping with someone of the same gender for various reasons but we don’t have the right to tell them their relationships are not valid, that they cannot have legal recognition of their commitment. Don’t you think we need more examples of loving, lasting relationships? I think most people are getting caught up in the word marriage and that can be dealt with by changing names in the legal code. If we let the public vote on civil rights issues all the time then we’d still have segregation, laws against interracial dating and marriage, etc. America is a nation of the free. We have certain rights guaranteed us. Marriage seems to be one of them these days. I fail to see why homosexuals cannot be legally joined together and heterosexuals can. No one has presented any evidence why this would be dangerous to our society beyond the “ick” factor and/or religious reasons. We don’t have established religion, we have separation of church and state exactly for these reasons. Like I said you don’t have to like it but you can’t deny someone a right because of your personal distaste for what they do in private. Obviously I’m in support of gay marriage. I think anyone in love should be able to marry, pure and simple. Conservatives are always trying to keep government out of their lives. Why are they so adamant about using government to control others?
@SilverMei - Well I said that God has made it clear that He doesn’t agree with homosexuality. I never said He hated them for it. I mean his son Jesus ate with sinners. I never did agree with people who hold up signs that say “God hates Fags”. God loves all his creation. My post was merely a response to the query posed by the blog for why some people oppose Gay marriage but have no problem with civil unions.
@SilverMei - Oh my view of America isn’t tiny, it’s a fact that America started out with a strong Christian influence, deny it if you like, it doesn’t change the facts.
Oh and who said anything about being white? I certainly didn’t. So I don’t know what that has to do with anything………..?
Oh and just because I’ve learned a lot about Christianity does not mean that I don’t know much about anything else. So who are you really to tell me to broaden my horizens?
You really know nothing about me, other than that I’m not sure if God will continue to bless America if we disreguard him. I already said I’m not sure I would vote against it for the sake of freedom. So you’re basically telling me I should feel the way I already said I feel there.
Wow I can’t stand ignorant people and even more ingnorant people who put words in my mouth that I don’t believe in freedom or try to make this a racial issue and try to talk down to me like I’m the one who doesn’t know what I’m talking about.
@MicheleWasHere - If you don’t want people to talk to you like that then you should demonstrate your vast amount of worldly knowledge next time.
@SerendipityCo - I see. I misinterpreted your post, then. My mistake.
Gays should be allowed to marry.
@SilverMei - No actually because I’m not here to show off or prove anything or argue, I just answered Dan’s question since he left me a comment on my blog today. Fuck off seriously. I’m not going to talk to someone who keeps putting words in my mouth. I never said I have a vast amount of worldly knowledge… just said I wasn’t clueless. I’m out.
@MicheleWasHere - Good luck with that.
Marriage for all!
You don’t choose who you love, it just happens. Even though I am Roman Catholic, I still say, marry whomever you want!
Segregation in any form is inhumane… Gay marriage pls
@sahel578 - There are churches and institutions who have lost their tax-exempt status for refusing (on religious grounds, and they will “show it to you in the Bible”, though I believe they’re sorely mistaken) to perform or condone interracial marriages. (Such as Bob Jones University.) What makes you think it will be any different with this issue?
@shards_of_beauty - Can you provide a source? As far as I know (and I have looked), that is false. I searched Bob Jones University for news matches and nothing relevant came up. Additionally, the law already provides protection for religious institutions. Churches would not be forced to marry Jews, atheists, or anyone who they don’t wish to. If there is something I am missing, please let me know, but as far as I am aware, the idea that religious institutions have to marry anyone they don’t want, gay or otherwise, is false.
I support gay marriage rights.
Minority rights are the one thing that should never be put to popular vote for obvious reasons.
@jec_748 - :D Maybe, but just because YOU think the bible means something, it doesnt mean that others have to think its any more relevant than the aboriginal dream-time myths… a giant laughing frog seems just as likely as Jesus walking on water to me, so what right does a belief, a religion have to dictate how others are allowed to love?
Christianity is no more relavant than any other religion, why is it allowed to call the shots?
Equal rights for Gays!!!
@radicalramblings - You are so very correct. The idea of regulating marriage is so foreign to me that I honestly can’t put myself in the mindset of someone opposed to ita (be it homosexual or plural) between consenting adults.
To the people in here who are saying “as I am a christian, I believe that homosexuality is a sin”:
I am wondering why you let a book dictate your beliefs… why you cant look at the MAIN message that the bible and the church claims that they teach and run with that?
You can easily condense the bible down to the 10 commandments and a few supporting fables, and the message is MORE powerful. I doubt anyone would deny that the bible will support anything you want if you look hard enough, the church has been twisting its well meaning words for centuries to get what they want. That in mind, why not decide for YOURSELF what it is god is trying to say, and live with purity, grace and love, instead of biggotry and hate?
I can only think of 3 reasons. 1: A fear of ridicule and exclusion from your religios community. 2: Fear of yourself, being spiritually unable to assess yourself and your true beliefs. 3: Being angry, using religion to veil your own hatred and intolerance.
I really dont see why anyone would WANT to live with all this judgement.
edit: apologies for incoherance and typos… its pre-coffee time
No, here’s the other eason. Evolution cannot agree with gay marriage.
I’m against it.
@Mar_of_Mars - perhaps this is evolutions way of trying to stop humans from breeding so fast? The earth cant sustain our current population as it is..
im in favor for it. mirage shouldn’t be the governments priority… it should be other business and money things x]
and not all gays are christian… if they’re not christian they don’t give a damn about the the bible says x]
I support gay marriage fully.
@Mar_of_Mars - Like dancingsnarf said, it’s for population control. There is actually research on the matter that explains it pretty well. After all, if evolution ruled it out, then we wouldn’t have gay people, but we do!
@hervantagepoint - You probably couldn’t find the info on Bob Jones because it was actually in 1983 (sorry I didn’t look it up to specify, I was in a rush to leave for work yesterday). Googling “Bob jones university interracial dating tax exempt” you’ll get lots of hits, here’s an article http://atheism.about.com/library/decisions/tax/bldec_BobJonesUS.htm. Apparently the case went all the way to the Supreme Court, where the denial of the tax exempt status was upheld.
@shards_of_beauty - Wow, that’s interesting. Thanks!
I’m in favor of gay marriage. I’m saving my long winded explanation, views and thoughts on this for a blog post :0)
I really don’t care actually. I dunno. I think homosexual behavior is a sin, but I don’t know if it’s something that should be prohibited by the govt… this isn’t a theocracy after all. A secular gov’t had diff standards than a religious one. But whether a gov’t allows it or not, I don’t really care that much.
Yes. I’m all for it.
You know that bit about all men being created equal, you know, in the FLIPPING CONSTITUTION?
I think that pretty much covers it. Saying gays can’t get married is the same as saying Blacks or Hispanics can’t. Just because someone is different doesn’t make them undeserving of the rights every other human is entitled to.
One of the things that has to be realized in this debate is that marriage for the state is not the same as marriage for the church. When I was younger I was against gay marriage because an image of Dennis Rodman in a wedding dress would always appear in my head. yes I do find that idea just plain wrong even today. However, now that I’m older I have a fuller understanding of what marriage actually is.
As far as the State is concerned… Marriage is the ability to file a joint tax return. I have no problems with a gay couple filing a joint tax return.
As far as the State is concerned… Marriage is the ablility to go in together on a mortgage. I have no problems with a gay couple having both of their names on a mortgage.
As far as the State is concerned… Marriage is the ability to inherit property from one’s spouse that isn’t directed otherwise in a will. Again, I have no problem with that.
As far as the State is concerned… Marriage is the right for a loved one to stay past visiting hours in a hospital in certain situations. I’m not against this for gays.
As far as the State is concerned… Marriage is the ability to help determine your spouses wishes when unconscious and terminally ill. The ability to make funeral plans in the event of your spouses death. Considering many gays are ostracized from their families, why not?
If you are a protestant and have married a Catholic, you know how hard it is to find somebody to marry you. Churches will always guard the institution of marriage and if they don’t think it is right to marry gays then they will deny it. Personally, I don’t think it should be as big of an issue as it is because gays and lesbians only consist of 6% of the population, so I don’t see how it can really weaken the institution of marriage. It is really a young white blonde teenager missing story to me. There are many others missing but that is all that fox news covers. The Divorce Rate in the Bible Belt is what is weakening the institution of marriage, not the gay marriage issue.
i dont have a certain view on it. but i am a christian and in the bible it says it is wrong. although i dont think God will spite you if you are. I have friends that are and i dont judge them for it. Marriage is between a man and a women. They should call it sumthing else then if its between to of the same sex. idk its just my opinion
I am in favor of gay marriage. Christians did not invent marriage, so I don’t see why we are all letting them define it.
No government regulation of marriage! Any loving, consenting adults should be allowed to marry if they want to.
@hervantagepoint - actually the whole idea that comes from evolution is that we have to help the strong prosper. in social evolution, for example, we teach that strong will survive through humanistic ideals.
@Mar_of_Mars - I thought we were talking about actual, biological evolution. To take what is described in evolutionary theory and apply it in a moral/ethical way is absolutely ridiculous. Besides, there is a lot more to evolution than the survival of the fittest. People love to take that phrase and twist it around, as if it means that individuals should do whatever necessary to advance their own interests. Evolution is about the reproductive success of a species as a whole; if one individual prospers, but does harm to many others, that is not good for the species. Many things that wouldn’t seem evolutionarily advantageous actually are, such as reciprocal altruism. Again, homosexuality would have been eliminated by natural selection if it didn’t have some advantage to a species. And evolution is not a system that prescribes how we should behave, it just describes what happens in the natural world.
@takethistoheart25 - Separate is not equal.
Yes
No.
I think they should be allowed to marry. But I also think that churches/ministers who are against gay marriage shouldn’t be forced to perform the ceremonies. I personally think it’s ok for gay people to get married, and there’s nothing wrong with it any more than there’s anything wrong with straight people getting married. But in the end, no one should be forced to violate their own conscience. And if one church won’t perform the ceremony, there is probably another one somewhere that will.
And for the record, I would also say that a minister or church should not be forced to perform a ceremony for a heterosexual couple if they did not believe that couple should get married.
@CelestialTeapot - Concerning “what rights are being lost question” you wrote..
Taxes. Hospital visitation rights. Inter-state recognition of the marriage….
The third one is moot to me since what they want is not a marriage. As for the other two, how are they rights? I can see how they are desires… But how are they specifically rights? The only way they can be seen as rights is if you once again re-define the term. Tax breaks and any hospital visitation at all is a privilege.
nope.
yes and at one point in time the majority of americans supported slavery as well